As a woman who worked at MSFT through the Ballmer era, I have to agree with this whole article. It really nailed it.
Especially this part near the end where I never felt it would get better:
"But my former female colleagues who reviewed this document in advance of its publication are unconvinced. None of them report feeling emboldened by the new Microsoft. They continue to withhold reports of discriminatory management practices. They relate stories of reports of abuse going unpunished and continue to fear reprisals for speaking out. In fact, multiple reviewers noted, independently, the irony that the only reason I am comfortable enough to speak out is that I am a “50-year old white dude” and, thus, girded against reprisal from the body politic. So they remain silent when, in fact, they are among the voices Microsoft needs to hear the most. Apparently, Microsoft has dipped only a single toe in the river that flows to the future."
How do you get your employer to hear you? I don't think these problems are isolated to women. I think women just don't understand that there's an "old boys club" that attacks other men too. I know lots of men who say the same things.
Pitting employees against each other. The masters recruiting spies from among the ranks to report dissenting comments from the servants. Cutting back on coffee breaks. Not being allowed to report actual time worked because you're an exempt employee so your boss can say, "I'm not aware of any overtime being worked." Uh that's because you won't allow me to enter more than the minimum.
This happens to more than just women. Instead of pitting one bullied group against another, bullied people need to rise up against a system that rewards bullies at the expense of the employees with integrity!
Companies are losing SO much value from their greatest employees because they are afraid to be noticed. You do something great for your employer and everyone else says, "Show off." or "You're making the rest of us look bad." or "Overachiever".
They force great employees to be mediocre. Even managers do the same thing. If you find a problem with your boss's code -- watch out!
This is not a problem women experience. It's a problem people experience.
I understand that you want to unite workers in solidarity (which I think is a good thing!) but I'm not sure if you're hearing that men and women experience issues with bad bosses in very different ways, and the channels through which they can respond are also divergent.
The author of the original post believes that MS under Nadella is starting to turn itself around, but he was rebuffed by the people who would know best who have told him that the entrenched culture of sexism hasn't made as much progress as one would hope. And then the comment you have responded to calls out that quote as especially true.
Your response is to invalidate their experiences by claiming that hey, everybody is going through some stuff. But if you cannot recognise that maybe some less-privileged groups have it worse in some ways, you will find it difficult to find allies among them.
I've experienced both sides of this as a transgender woman. As a relatively effeminate man, I failed to fit in with the culture of "cocksure masculinity" as the OP calls it. But as a woman it's a whole lot worse.
The problem has the same cause and hits both genders, but it really does hit women harder. For instance, men might find they need to shout to get their voice heard because 'that's the culture', while women might get admonished even when they do that because it doesn't fit the gendered expectations of them.
As an effeminate geeky dude, I had employers tell me I needed to step up and take more of a leadership role. As a woman, I've had interview candidates assume I couldn't be an engineer because of the way I dress. I had a boss who treated me more junior the more feminine I was dressed. It's way worse.
The toxic boys club culture can totally make life hard for men who aren't like that - but it can be almost impossible for women. The hill is just that much harder to climb, in part because performing those behaviors that would make you fit in with the boys club can get you slammed for not being feminine.
It's important to remember that this isn't just about men and women, that it does negatively impact men as well - but it hits women a lot harder. Voices that don't match get ignored in that culture, but if you're a man it's much easier to make your voice sound like what the leadership expects.
Where a male and female colleague swapped names in all correspondence, and she (with a temporary male name) was astounded at how easy work was, while he (with a temporary female name) was perplexed by how much harder his job became.
"In 2006 American economists Kristen and Matthew Wiswall performed perhaps the ultimate test. They examined what happened to the pay of and status of employees who'd changed sex."
I hadn't seen that study before, and I have a lot of thoughts on it. Most of all I'd be interested to see how it changed. (For one thing, the term "transsexual" now is feels so dated it's borderline offensive)
To briefly sum up a very complex issue on which I have a lot of feelings, I find that it's more common for transfeminine people (vs. transmasculine ones) to wind up in a kind of "uncanny valley" of gender that some people struggle and are uncomfortable with. I think that with growing visibility and acceptance this is probably improving, but it's still very real.
I think a result of that is that comparing MTF vs. FTM people is that it's not a good comparison of women vs. men in the workplace. The fact that society has a much more negative view of transwomen confounds the entire thing.
There's also, very anecdotally, a pretty sharp divide in how more passable transwomen are treated vs. less passable transwomen. I think I'm in the former group, but it's all very complicated and not something I fully understand myself - how can I really know how others see me?
I am a middle aged guy in NZ with a fairly broad social range, that includes a few MTF transsexuals§ by association.
Within their social circles and far wider than that, everyone is aware that they are a transsexual, and I perceive that they often get lumped into a third category (that isn't male or female).
Strangers will be completely natural towards a non-obvious transsexual (where acquantances might not), but then a stranger that becomes a friend will struggle later when they find out they have been "deceived" (which subjectively can't be argued with?). Surely that must cause a lot of friction.
Also the acronym LGBT defines "different from X" where I don't know a good word for X either...
Hopefully you have a good bunch of friends and family that don't judge you or stereotype you.
As far as the study went, they would have to find a subgroup that worked as female (or v.v.) without anyone at work knowing or finding out (remaining cryptic at all times). Even then, there is a sampling bias for only those people that act on their feelings and have major surgery, and presumably a major emotional disruption to life for most of those.
> a pretty sharp divide in how more passable transwomen are treated vs. less passable transwomen
Is the divide wider than that between a "pretty" woman and an "ugly" one (sorry again, awful word choice, but I don't know how to rewrite that so the meaning stays clear).
§ sorry if transsexuals is an offensive term, I'm using what my peer group would use, and I have no idea how to safely use the words you use.
Oh, also, FYI, transgender is adjective, not a noun, so rather than say "MTF transsexuals" you should say "transgender women". "Transgenders" is also incorrect usage.
> I perceive that they often get lumped into a third category (that isn't male or female)
This is what I mean by the "uncanny valley of gender". Some people, btw, do identify as non-binary and intentionally wish to be seen as neither male nor female. For most people, even transgender ones such as myself, people pick a gender and then unconsciously roll with that in how they relate. When people can't figure out which way to relate, it can make them uncomfortable and cause friction.
> Strangers will be completely natural towards a non-obvious transsexual (where acquantances might not), but then a stranger that becomes a friend will struggle later when they find out they have been "deceived" (which subjectively can't be argued with?). Surely that must cause a lot of friction.
They haven't been deceived! I am a woman, and the type of woman I am is transgender. While it does surprise people, in my experience, it's just kind of an interesting point and then we move on. If it's not a sexual context it really has nothing to do with anything, and so people don't care - they just keep using script they initially picked. Similar to my age - most people think I'm in my 20s, but I'm in my late 30s. They're surprised, but it doesn't change anything so we go on.
> As far as the study went, they would have to find a subgroup that worked as female (or v.v.) without anyone at work knowing or finding out (remaining cryptic at all times). Even then, there is a sampling bias for only those people that act on their feelings and have major surgery, and presumably a major emotional disruption to life for most of those.
This is very true. Transgender people have to feel that they can transition, and a great many don't. I haven't seen any study (and I'm not sure how you'd even construct one) between transgender people who seek transition and those that don't. I definitely live in a much more acceptable environment (in San Francisco) and had the financial, social, and emotional means to do it. A lot of people lack in some of those areas and suffer, sometimes greatly as a result. Access to transgender medicine varies tremendously.
> Is the divide wider than that between a "pretty" woman and an "ugly" one (sorry again, awful word choice, but I don't know how to rewrite that so the meaning stays clear).
I would say yes. Again, it's (in my perception) that uncanny valley of gender. An unattractive woman is still seen as a woman (though her social value is often greatly diminished by it). Whereas non-passable transwomen people aren't clear how to relate to, and it makes them feel uncomfortable.
> sorry if transsexuals is an offensive term, I'm using what my peer group would use, and I have no idea how to safely use the words you use.
Transsexual is a term that's dated to the point where it comes off as ignorant. We use "Transgender" as a blanket, inclusive term (not everyone changes their genitals, which is what makes it preferable to "transsexual").
> The fact that society has a much more negative view of transwomen confounds the entire thing.
I think a lot of this is simply a combination of of not crediting gender identity (such that transmen are viewed as women, and transwomen as men) and viewing both as gender non-conforming and presumptively homosexual, combined with asymmetric views on homosexuality and gender non-conformity between men and women (which embed misogyny, since men are the superior gender, it is less acceptable for them to fall to conform, while women who are non-conforming are, while violating a norm, adopting features of the superior gender, which is less contemptible.)
Almost everybody experiences bullying at some point in their life. That makes them feel they understand the problem. But it's the dose that makes the poison. Some people and groups are at the receiving end of so much of it that to say "we all have been bullied" really belittles what the targeted groups receive.
Believe it or not, on gender, it is actually possible for most of us (men) to verify this empirically.
As a cis male, one way to do this is to represent yourself as female, and see how much more you get questioned. You don't have to go so far as to cross-dress -- you could simply sign an email with a majority-female name in the signature.
You don't think that getting more attention, help, and outright handouts isn't its own form of bullying? You don't think it hints at an ever-more underlying reason behind the attention, help, and handouts?
You don't see an issue with being unable to have your in-game relationships progress past "you're a woman and that's the only thing we care about you"?
The most helpful answer I can give is: you’d have to start from a neutral position. Which means really giving up on what you believe and being open to the possibility that there is a real difference you haven’t seen yet.
From that position you can then try to practice active listening. You’d need to develop a rapport with people—lots of people, both people who see things similarly to you and especially people who see things differently. You’d have to be gentle with other people’s ideas so they feel safe telling you what they really think.
After doing that for some time, and ingesting stories from whole populations of people, you would begin to get a sense of the breadth of experiences beyond your own.
We can't go on our individual experience, the only way to understand women's perspective is to listen to what they're saying and how they're treated. The past few years has made it pretty clear (although there were certainly reports even before then) that women have faced, and continue to face abuse and discrimination to a degree that men don't.
What you're saying sounds to me like the "All lives matter!" response to the "Black lives matter" movement.
>The past few years has made it pretty clear (although there were certainly reports even before then) that women have faced, and continue to face abuse and discrimination to a degree that men don't.
Do you have anything to add besides "you are wrong" and (paraphrasing) "women are right"?
The point GP makes about an old boys club that attacks men and women equally rings painfully true to me also.
So... uncritically take everything someone says at face value and ignore possible alternative explanations, assuming the worst about the person being discussed that isn't there to defend themselves or otherwise offer any possible context?
> How do you get your employer to hear you? I don't think these problems are isolated to women. I think women just don't understand that there's an "old boys club" that attacks other men too. I know lots of men who say the same things.
If anyone thinks this is a problem exclusive to men, conservatives, or whatever group it's en vogue to pillory they're flat-out ignorant.
I've seen women in power be utterly despicable to their fellow woman. I've seen #woke managers belittle the pious.
The real test of character is, when discussing these issues, do you assume immutable aspects are to blame or do you consider alternative realities.
Maybe "those people" are bad for being "those people," maybe they just suck.
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The reality is that corporate culture has incentivized and rewarded certain behaviors (manifesting as sexism, racism, bullying, extroversion, whatever ) over and over again and people are slowly pushing back.
It took a while for 'executive' to not only mean "older caucasian male in a suit".
For all its thorny parts, the increase in exposure of these issues will help more employees realize the power imbalance and try to define a better and more inclusive corporate culture
That paragraph tracks with what I've heard from female peers that work at Microsoft too. Microsoft talks a good game but fails to do the right thing when the going gets tough (e.g. senior leaders can, and do, retaliate against individual contributors that annoy them with the full support of HR business partners).
I'm expecting a massive backlash against the "culture-forward" style of running a company as the article describes. There's always been a lot of cynicism around things like company values, but that cynicism appears to be increasing at a rapid pace with a meaningful portion of employees (see all the recent articles about Google's internal culture). It doesn't have to be a majority of employees, 20-30% is plenty to materially affect an organization.
Personally, the reason is that a company ultimately isn't "culture-forward" unless if it's willing to take a financial hit in order preserve its culture. Few companies are willing to do that, and that's OK, we are a capitalist society after all. It just isn't OK to hammer culture like its the most important thing while twisting themselves in logical knots to justify highly-profitable activities and actions that the employees call out as being counter-cultural. Some of those conflicts become public & newsworthy (ICE contracts), most of it doesn't (retaining that effective asshole).
Importantly, whether or not senior leadership agrees with the vocal (often significant minority) employees is besides the point. It's a communication issue -- they've created an expectation that isn't being matched -- not an issue of truth. Many of these "culture-forward" companies are losing the ability to tell their employees to "shut up and work" because they've explicitly said they don't want day-to-day work to operate in that manner. But for some reason senior leadership hasn't figured out that they can't operate like that anymore either when they push a culture like Microsoft has.
I think the end game here is companies like Microsoft painting themselves into a corner where a big, big, fight over unionization is all but inevitable. Knowledge workers want a seat at the table precisely because companies have told them they should have that precisely because it improves the bottom line on a small team to be self-organizing (see: Google's project aristotle for more).
> "All HR systems are long term efficient, short term inefficient."
That’s an amazingly stupid comment from an obviously very smart person (Nadella). I’m quite sure it’s not true for women who do not ask for raises, but in my experience it’s not true in general either. Most HR systems tend to produce, promote and reward a certain kind of behavior - and that behavior is seldom very value creating.
Paraphrasing Nadella I’d rather say “All HR systems are short term inefficient, and most are long-term inefficient. Some are even outright ruinous, at least for the company and it’s shareholders, who (unlike employees) have no escape.”
>The Microsoft of the 2000s, under Steve Ballmer, was almost exactly the opposite (of gates).
>Bruised and battered by the consent decree handed down by the DoJ for the very same ambition that brought it to dominance, Ballmer’s Microsoft was sales-forward and CAUTIOUS.
>It was... nervously clutching its pearls at the approach of Google in its rearview mirror
People bash Steve Ballmer for missing Search, Social Networking, Smart phones, Tablets and one other thing. They claim he had his head far up his rear end to see the competiton. He's called a buffoon and other names but ignore the fact that...
Microsoft was Caged. Had it's wings clipped. Had a huge target on its back. In case you did't know, any complaint by say Google in its early days and Microsoft would have been broken up!
This is the real reason behind's Ballmer's failure.
Gates hated politics, kept Washington at arms length and that cost them. In fact, if Gates had lobbied just a little bit, there would have been no case at all.
And that's why Google's lobbying like crazy cos it's life actually depends on it.
> Microsoft was Caged. Had it's wings clipped. Had a huge target on its back. In case you did't know, any complaint by say Google in its early days and Microsoft would have been broken up!
So much this. During orientation on my first day a representative from legal came in and told us, among other things, what types of metaphors we were allowed to use in emails. "No football metaphors, no explicit or implied violence, we do not 'crush the competition', we 'work hard to show customers how good our products are'."
Hard to get a team amped up about working in an exciting new space when you are literally not allowed to get a team amped up.
Then again, right before the iPhone launched, a market research report went around the mobile division that showed "consumers in the US will never pay for their phones, they are too addicted to free subsidized cell phone deals."
Long ago when I was just a couple years in, I was "corrected" when I said we should stop shipping bad keyboards and relying on OEMs to make the keyboard not bad. Someone rather senior told me that wasn't the reason at all as to why we were shipping a sub-par keyboard. I never was told exactly why Windows Mobile 6.x shipped poor quality on screen keyboards.
You can amp up a team by challenging them to give the very best possible user experience, so that your customers loves your product.
Exhorting the team to "crush the competition" or "dominate the market" is not necessarily the best way to amp up a team. In fact, I'd argue it's the worst possible way, since that means that playing dirty patent troll tricks or financing things like the SCO lawsuit is a legitimate way to "win", as opposed to winning by delighting the user.
I worked on a consumer product in a highly competitive space. Our competition released products that dropped frames and had laggy UIs.
The discussion wasn't "We're going to make a smoother UI so our users have a wonderful and pleasant experience." it was "Hah, how the hell, they have literally 20x the CPU power, a GPU, over 1000x the RAM, and they are dropping frames? Let's show'em how its done!"
In certain domains, and when trying to perform at certain levels, you need every single human emotion you can draw on to get enough energy to find the motivation to do amazing work.
Is that needed 99% of the time? Nope. But MS sure as hell could have used someone pissed off about their mobile experience being terrible about, oh, say, 3 years earlier than what did happen.
Another example. Gmail launched 2004. Imagine if 2002 a senior leader at Microsoft had burst into a meeting of the Hotmail leadership team and started shouting "Why the hell do other email providers even still exist? And why the fuck do I have to still delete emails every couple of days? I want every other free email provider out of business right asap. Lose money on it, I don't care, just make us the best!"
But instead, someone at Google got upset about the same problem and made a product that completely dominated the entire consumer email market.
If you go into a competitive space (especially consumer!) with the idea of "we'll look at the market research and do what is needed to establish a place for ourselves" then no one cares about you.
"We're going to make a product that makes everyone else on the market look like incompetent jerks" is an actual mission statement that can be used to get things done.
The competition has a painful first run experience? Yours isn't better, it is perfect. Why? Because screw the competition. Your competitors have fat profit margins? Yours are razor thin, because screw the competition. There product has an industrial design comes in black and ugly grey, you have designer colors, because screw the competition.
If you are a multi-billion dollar company, and you have the resources to do everything better than anyone else in the field, then you either perform at that level, or you lose.
The iPhone launch was to be a tour de force of this ideology.
"They have ugly plastic buttons sticking out everywhere, we have metal and glass. They have a crappy joke of a keyboard, we'll reinvent the entire idea of an on screen keyboard. They have a shitty sales experience in stores? We'll partner with one carrier, and train the living daylights out of their sales people. Their UI is hard to use? We'll launch a world wide ad campaign where we show subtly people how to use the device during the ad."
I was at MS at the time. The idea there was "We'll let our OEM partners decide on how best to differentiate their product, they are after all the ones doing the main value ad and we rely on them for manufacturing."
Apple said screw that entire model, they just made it themselves, and they made it amazing.
There is an incredible energy on teams motivated by the ethos of doing the best and steam rolling the competition through sheer excellence. I'm not advocating for dirty business practices, but holy hell, telling your engineers "do good enough" is going to get you "good enough." When they wake up and go to work and the entire office is saying "we're going to make a product that puts everyone else to shame", you get a great product.
> Another example. Gmail launched 2004. Imagine if 2002 a senior leader at Microsoft had burst into a meeting of the Hotmail leadership team and started shouting "Why the hell do other email providers even still exist? And why the fuck do I have to still delete emails every couple of days? I want every other free email provider out of business right asap. Lose money on it, I don't care, just make us the best!"
I can easily imagine this. The outcome would be that I would go outdoors, raise my hand, and ask "Any company out there willing to pay me to leave?"
Tell me: Did Google have a senior leaser burst into a meeting and start shouting "Why the the fuck do I have to still delete emails every couple of days? I want every free email provider out of business right asap. Lose money on it, I don't care, just make us the best!"
Is that how Gmail became dominant?
If your goal is to only employ one type of person - uber competitive type who cannot motivate themselves without wild pep talks - you're going to miss out on a lot of talent. I'll happily employ bright people who don't want to work for/with you.
Always problematic to assume that what works for you works for the majority.
> "I want every other free email provider out of business right asap. Lose money on it, I don't care, just make us the best!"
Every single large company I've worked at has had mandatory training classes where lawyers explain why you never, ever say or send e-mail with anything like that. If that ever got out on the front page of the New York Times, or worse yet, as part of a discovery effort from the FTC or state attorneys generals investigating abuse of Monopoly power.... well, it would be bad.
If there is anything like that from Zuckerberg, "I want every other social media company out of business ASAP" which is subject to legal discovery.... we'd be looking at a very nasty consent decree lasting years at best, or a forced breakup of Facebook, at the worst.
> Every single large company I've worked at has had mandatory training classes where lawyers explain why you never, ever say or send e-mail with anything like that.
Yup, I went through the same training.
> as part of a discovery effort from the FTC or state attorneys generals investigating abuse of Monopoly power.... well, it would be bad.
It depends though, losing money to acquire customers is sometimes OK, sometimes not.
How many years did Google lose money on Youtube?
Sometimes making the best technology requires going in heads first, not worrying about profit, and deciding that if you make the best product, you will eventually find a way to make some money. After all, Google had no problem monetizing Gmail, and it doesn't take a genius to think "hey, storage prices keep dropping, offer users a gig now and we may lose money, but that'll stop as prices for storage keep going down."
It isn't like Yahoo in their heyday couldn't have made the same decision.
Also, I never suggested sending that in an email! But telling the team that they need to make a product so much better that the competition has 0 hope? Well now the team has a mission statement, and one that they can go use to attitude adjust anyone who is too complacent with the status quo.
If some executive wanted to start threatening data center providers or cut off network peering agreements, yup, line way too far.
But if someone wants to make a REALLY damn good product, to the point that it is so good by the time everyone else catches up it is too late, well, more power to them.
The desire to achieve market dominance by making an insanely better product is often the means by which technology progresses.
Many startups lose money when they are first started; and a new product may very well be losing money until it reaches a certain scale. That's not the problem. The question is what's the motivation. If the motivation is to predatory pricing, where you are deliberately holding the price below the marginal cost per unit in order to drive the competition out of business, you'll find that the FTC frowns on such behavior.
This is why it's so bad to say anthing like, "I want to drive the competition out of business", or "I want to dominate the market". Even if you don't send it in e-mail, suppose you say it at a department meeting, and someone takes a video of it? Now if they ever get disgruntled, they can take that video to the FTC, and now you're in a heap of trouble.
There are plenty of other ways of motivating a team than trash-talking the competition. If you have a team where the only way to really motivate them is to curse and use that kind of war-like language, I'd argue that such a company has a massive culture problem, and it's certainly not a company I would ever want to work at. Not because I think the stock is at risk of pluging after the FTC announces a anti-trust investigation (although that would be a real risk), but because I'd find such an atmosphere positively toxic. It's something I'd expect of the Uber "bro" culture, and no, I'd never want to work there.
> If the motivation is to predatory pricing, where you are deliberately holding the price below the marginal cost per unit in order to drive the competition out of business, you'll find that the FTC frowns on such behavior.
Of course, but it is constantly debated line.
To go back to Email, "we'll be losing money until the price for storage drops" is that predatory?
"We're losing money because we haven't ramped up our partner ad program yet." Predatory?
There are many cases where a large pile of cash can help establish a business, and help create a higher quality user experience and a better product, precisely because there is the chance to not turn a profit money for awhile.
> but because I'd find such an atmosphere positively toxic. It's something I'd expect of the Uber "bro" culture, and no, I'd never want to work there.
I never encountered the Uber bro culture, but I have been lucky enough to work at teams where we wanted to do better than everyone else and where that was our mission day in and day out.
Part of that was looking at the competition and seeing how badly they were shafting users on price, and getting angry about it and funneling that anger into making a better product.
> This is why it's so bad to say anthing like, "I want to drive the competition out of business"
The goal is always to make a product so good that there is no possible competition, and that is of course perfectly legal to do, just so long as the competition is driven out of business solely because of consumer's making a free choice as to which product they want to buy.
> they can take that video to the FTC, and now you're in a heap of trouble.
My understanding is that the trouble only comes if the company has actually done something illegal. If the CEO says they want to dominate the market, and someone in sales goes and starts bribing people, huge problem. If the CEO says they want to dominate the market and the supply chain and engineering teams find a way to shave 30% off the product's price, or the software engineers and designers work together to make the product 10x more usable than anything else on the market, then there isn't a problem.
The issue that comes up of course is that if the CEO does say anything that might be seen as encouraging someone to win at "any cost", and any single employee takes those steps, then yeah, obvious legal problems.
But the overall fact is, in competitive winner-takes-all markets, the goal has to be winning big, and everyone needs to be aligned behind that goal, and everyone on the team has to believe in that goal.
> My understanding is that the trouble only comes if the company has actually done something illegal.
As you said earlier, "[pricing] is a constantly debated line". Suppose a search engine displays the lyrics on the results page, instead of requiring that the user click a link and go to some advertising-laden lyrics web site. Is that to improve the search user's experience, by giving them the answer right then and there? Or is it predatory move against the song lyrics web site? As you say, "it's constantly debated".
But if you have the CEO, or the product manager, saying, "I want to crush the competition; see them driven before me; and hear the lamentation of their women" (apologies to Arnold Schwarzenegger and Conan the Barbarian) you've just given a weapon to the FTC as to the intent of that "constantly debated line". And G-d help your company if that lands on the front page of the New York Times.
Also, even if you win the anti-trust lawsuit, the distraction and the legal costs are high. I'd argue that even if you ignore the toxic atmosphere argument, from a purely pragmatic and practical perspective, It's Just Not Worth It.
Want to motivate the team by asking them to build the best product ever? Sure! I'll note, by the way, that just because you have the objectively better, say, search quality score compared to all of the other search engines out there, that doesn't necessarily mean that the other search engines will go out of business. People choose which search engines to use for many reasons, and not just search quality. (Many people who use DDG admit doesn't always give the best results; but they use it because they hate Google, and it's "good enough".)
So it's actually better to come up with an objective quality metric, and constantly challenge the team to make it better, every year and every quarter, regardless of whether or not they are better than the competition. If you don't, you end up resting on your laurels, and that's no good either. So you align the whole team on making the product better, and delighting more and more users, regardless of whether or not you have the best product, and certainly not because you want to drive the competition out of business.
Take Microsoft Office, for example. For a long time it was the best, or at least most commercially successful, office suite. How do you challenge the team if your only focus is, "drive the competition out of business"? And what if your competition is the Open Source "libreoffice", which by definition can't be driven out of business, and is getting better year after year, with the end user of cost of zero dollars and zero cents staying constant?
I agree with this. Swears and cursing are an efficient and motivating way to communicate orders of magnitudes.
Curious, what was the attitude like on the early Band team? I absolutely loved it, and was active on the beta, but didn't have a front-row seat to the early development.
> Curious, what was the attitude like on the early Band team?
I wasn't allowed to tell people I was interviewing what the job was for. (Most people figured out that an entire floor of HW and Firmware engineers were working on Hardware.)
I had to convince people to join me by telling them about the team and about why they wanted to work there.
I said things like
"this is a classic Microsoft team, we're going to take something that is elite and expensive and make it affordable for everyone, fuck elitism, Microsoft makes products everyone can use."
"We are understaffed and underfunded, this will be the hardest you've ever worked in your life, but we are making something that is fucking amazing and you'll be telling stories about this for years to come."
"Want to build an OS? How about an entire graphics system? Say yes and I'll have you at a desk next week doing stuff you never thought you could do."
The Band was critically under funded, I was told that it was under 60 million across all the years we were active. Apple Watch famously had a billion.
The energy was insane. We were a startup within MS, no one else knew we existed but the C-level leadership and maybe their directs. My team went to Ikea and got our own desks and put them together late one night. We stole (!) a TV from another team someplace in the building, wheeled it into our work area, and watched Twitch Plays Pokemon.
The firmware team wrote a runtime from scratch. Then my team took an off the shelf UI toolkit, rewrote almost all the drawing routines, rewrote the font rendering, and rewrote another ~60% or so of the remaining code, and made a butter smooth v-sync'd UI.
We had 96 MHz and 256 KB of RAM. 30 FPS locked, the UI could run at well over 60 but we had limited bandwidth to the display controller.
One day I read an article about touch latency on various mobile OSs. I said fuck it, we can do better than any of those. We optimized our touch system, max of 2 frame latency, min of 1. An amazing team from MSR came in and wrote us a machine learning gesture recognizer that also did motion estimation so that the screen tracked your finger almost 1 to 1 compensating for errors in the touch sensors.
Very understaffed, everyone did many things. Early on a bit of dead weight tried to attach itself to the project, it got cut eventually.
Lots of bad decisions. The team spun out of Xbox Accessories. No one there knew software except Firmware, I was hired on because I knew UI, all their other software engineers had no idea. UI was the green light on the Xbox 360 controller. Amazing firmware engineers though. Lots of issues around the cloud and mobile apps, they were started much later than the rest of the product and never had time to go through proper planning, esp. for the Band 1 launch.
Our design team was balls to the wall amazing. Our lead designer put so much thought and care into everything that was on the screen, it blew me away. It also taught me how much a real designer cares about their work. If I am lucky I'll get to work with a designer like that again in my life.
The battery life would've been a day longer on Band 2 but we had a shitty accelerometer chip that couldn't do step counting on its own (or maybe it could but it required a lot of programming to get it to that stage, I never was made 100% clear on that), so we had to take raw data and process it with the CPU. Horrible waste of power, I always was sad we never were given the time to add that extra 16-20 hours of battery life.
Everything we did we wanted to do better. We had very limited hardware, so everything had to be magic in code. The EE team did magic in hardware for sure, the screen portion of Band 2 was less than 2/3rds the thickness of the Apple Watch v1, so they had very little space to work with.
Every decision was "how can we do this better than anyone else?"
Nothing you said surprises me. It was fucking amazing. The v2 was a great leap over the v1, which was a leap over the other competitors. You could just tell how much effort went into those things. And you could tell that everyone was on board with making the best product possible, hunting for 10x+ leaps, and putting the user first. Thank you!
As a user it changed my life. I will never not wear them (on the Versa 2 now), and have years of actionable health data that has been life changing. And it's still so obvious to me that this is still the very, very early days of wearables and consumer biotech.
I was heartbroken when it was discontinued. I would love to read the high-level strategic thinking behind that. I understand perhaps the thought was Apple Watch would be tough to compete against, but the Band was years ahead of Apple (the first couple generations of Apple Watch completely missed the key point that the killer app for watches is health) so I like to think it had a chance, but more importantly I thought it was a fight worth fighting because of how much impact these things will have on people's health. It was also just inspiring that a new product like that could come out of Microsoft, and sad to see they didn't give it the 10+ years it deserved.
> I would love to read the high-level strategic thinking behind that.
1. It was the time of "One Windows". It didn't run Windows, and Windows wasn't going to ready to run on a wearable anytime soon.
2. It was expensive to manufacture. Curved screen, curved batteries, 2 rigid bodies. Everything about the industrial design was completely custom. It was amazing we even pulled it off at all.
3. Microsoft is afraid of entering new HW territories, HW tends to lose a lot of money.
4. Windows Phone died, which shouldn't have had an impact but it kinda did mentally. Users were actually evenly split between all three platforms, (which means Windows Phone users loved us!)
5. No one was willing to put in the actual engineering effort needed to do it properly. The entire team was burning out and we were bleeding people. Consumer hardware is not supposed to be at a 1 year cadence with only 1 team doing everything. Doing it that way also means you don't get a chance to make any dramatic changes, we had to only make small iterative improvements because if you only have 8-10 months to get boards up and running, get software ported over, and then finalize everything, well, you are working insane hours just pulling that off.
Ballmer is a buffoon. Even if we are to accept that MS was caged. I remember being at a launch party during an internship. Suddenly half the people ran out of the massive tent. I thought it must have been a fire, I ran out too, grabbed someone and asked why the mass exodus. Their reply was that Ballmer just went on stage. With that response I figured I have to see this. I went back in and recorded it. I was not disappointed, the performance was very cringe worthy.
I do hope MS becomes a nice place for women to work, as a white guy I hated it so hopefully in the future they can do better.
I can’t judge whether he was a good CEO or not, but, goodness, that dude lived the company. He was an exuberant uninhibited promoter. More than Evangelizer. The guy didn’t care what people said behind his back when he got all sweaty, nope, he was there to promote the company. A great cheerleader for the team.
Yeah, but the stock didn't go up from when he started to when he finished, which is evidence that the growth that happened during his tenure was all anticipated before he began. Good decisions can reap benefits years in the future, bad ones can take a decade to come to roost. You can say that Apple sales grew during John Scully's tenure. But it is kind of obvious that the company was exploiting a prior period of innovation while failing to innovate (Newton, Pink etc.).
He inherited a company that was incredibly powerful and that power only diminished during his tenure.
The same applies now to their success. Satya is executing Ballmer's One Microsoft plan. He absolutely deserves credit for some of the reorg he initiated before he stepped away. Combining Office 365, Active Directory, Intune, and Windows 10 Enterprise into a single Microsoft 365 bundle is the icing on that holistic product line effort.
Also of interest in that memo is Amy Hood being put in charge of the Finance Group (truthfully she had already been CFO a couple months when the One Microsoft memo came out), which Satya appears to be getting credit for in the original article. She was appointed CFO a year before Nadella became CEO.
In my country we call it an "effective management", a tongue in cheek for a situation where on paper all company KPI are perfect and growing but the company is for a huge nosedive in a long run.
>>This is the real reason behind's Ballmer's failure.
Yes, I am sure it had nothing to do with him lacking the basic vision one would expect in any tech CEO and saying idiotic things like "no one would buy such an expensive phone" (about the iPhone).
If you look like a buffoon, you act like a buffoon, and you talk like a buffoon...
Ballmer may be the best example of a Shaved Gorilla currently living, but I think he became the official scapegoat of Microsoft when they put him in charge.
Things were already going horribly wrong, and they put a despot in charge to soak up the blame for all of the terrible things his peers, subordinates and predecessors were already cocking up. The next person has a comparatively easy job of leading a Renaissance, assuming he didn't manage to run it into the ground in the interim. Which he nearly did.
I really miss http://minimsft.blogspot.com/ and not just for the schadenfreude. There was quite a bit of wisdom to be extracted from hindsight is 20/20 commentary, when you're an outside observer.
The original iPhone did $745M in revenue before the iPhone 3G was released (not 100% sure if that the one you're talking about since there was never a phone called the iPhone 3). Not exactly 'nobody'...
Thanks for the link. Many people feel that things we take for granted today were obvious successes in the past. Almost none of them ever hit the ground running.
Electricity, the internet, eCommerce, iPhone, even Bitcoin weren't obvious hits in the least. If the success of bitcoin was guaranteed or obvious, In 2009, I'd have bought 111,111 bitcoins for $100 at $0.0009 per bitcoin.
I'm not so sure the problem with Microsoft was its toxic culture. So many of the key points in that article you could say ring true of Apple. Steve Jobs relished in the fact that people feared him. He literally built an entire company of yes men, right down to the chefs in the kitchen. It meant, when his strategy was right, the company did well. However, when it was wrong, it also hurt the whole company.
Tim Cook is the opposite of that in every way. He delegates, he wants efficiency, he is much more conservative in where the products go. Yet the culture of yes still exists.
The answer to all of these big corporations is just we need different theories of management and apply them across the board. Fire those unwilling to play along and grow a culture of collaboration.
The Jobs model works when you have a Jobs, or Gates, or Musk, someone whose inherent talent is so strong that the organization can look to him for all decisions. But the strategy for running a company in the long term cannot assume such a pope. If you have Michael Jordan on your basketball team your strategy can be “give him the ball” — if you are just five ordinary guys you will need a philosophy.
I’m talking about a pickup game of basketball with Michael Jordan on one team. That obviously doesn’t work when your opponents have 90% of the skill of Jordan.
This is exactly correct. Organizations that create dependency on such highly performing individuals can coast on their talent while they're around but once they're gone, its hard to replace them.
Usually these uber-productive individuals are required and necessary during the early stages of a corporation where you literally need that kind of productivity to survive. Once an org matures though, there is no such requirement.
It’s hard to give a good answer as I’m not privy to what was going on within Apple when he worked there. If I had to guess, I would say that Apples future was safe after the release of the first iPhone, and that Jobs could have stepped down at that point and the company would have done just fine.
Your angry because you think that he fires those that are unwilling to play along with what he thinks is "right", and you think the solution is to "Fire those unwilling to play along" with what you think is "right".
An interesting article, which I think accurately describes my brief time at Microsoft during the Ballmer era (our startup was acquired after the bubble burst).
But his definition of "made men" seems very vague and very convenient. The people who Nadella appointed to higher positions were almost entirely people who had been at Microsoft for many years. Why are some "made men" and some are not? The definition seems primarily about whether or not the author liked them personally.
There used to be a program at Microsoft where employees who were "destined to do great things" would be pulled out, given special training, and then have their careers accelerated.
On one hand, it is sort of a good idea if you can truly pick the "winners" (and some of the people who went through the program did amazing things!) but, well, in hindsight I think everyone reading this can see how internal biases would be reflected in who got picked for the program.
I don't know too much about the program, and I don't even remember now what is was called, but engineers who'd been there longer would talk about it sometimes.
There were at least two programs when I was there. I heard a lot more about them under Ballmer than under Satya.
HiPo -- for junior to mid level -- special training, networking, and seminars. MiniMSFT comments section mentions this from time to time.
Bench -- for mid to later career, usually on the way to "partner" or above level -- same as HiPo, but may be asked to work on a project with others in Bench, may see attention from VPs mentoring the group.
Neither one had any official impact on ratings, rewards, or career velocity. What they did do, however, was establish an elite and help that elite network across the company.
Ah thanks for jogging memory in regards to the names. :)
> Neither one had any official impact on ratings, rewards, or career velocity.
Ah interesting, my understanding was that people who can gone through HiPo were sorta blessed. Then again I guess in theory the people who get selected for HiPo should already be doing the work to make their career velocity look good.
I saw all sorts of interesting stuff while I was at MS. It was a crazy place to work. It was sort of like working at a company that does everything 5-8 years too early, and then tries again 2-3 years too late.
* Tablets
* eBooks
* MP3 players
* Smartphones
* Smart TVs (Micorosft bought Web TV in 1997!! That is what, 15-20 years too early?)
* Tablets again
* Cloud based document syncing (See: What Sharepoint tried to be)
They also made some sort of automation creation tool for business users that, IIRC, got cancelled after one release and replaced with something else. I only know about it because I signed up to do internal user testing for it.
This is on top of all sorts of crazy one off projects. (In 2011 I was on a team attempting to make an autonomous household robot! How long before those become a viable thing outside of Roombas?)
It was only because they weren’t good enough that they didn’t succeed, not that they were “too early”. Right idea, wrong execution, or frequently the hardware not being there yet, and not pouncing when it was.
I was part of this program during my tenure at Microsoft (the earlier HiPo one mentioned already). I can confirm that it was a tremendous networking opportunity, but -- anecdotally -- almost 100% of the people I connected with, including myself, are no longer at Microsoft.
Worse, it seems more about whether they're men at all. I got to the end and stopped reading. I thought this article was going to get into specifics of what these so called "made men" did wrong, it turned out to be a ra-ra feminist piece. I've learned the hard way these sorts of people often have very wrong and warped ideas of what makes people successful or unsuccessful so that was a disappointment. Not worth reading really.
He's not going to name names. Those lifers in MS probably know who he's talking about, he did name products as well. Those folks can infer. Ra-ra feminist piece? Think we're reading different things. What he said regarding women rings true.
+1. I gave up reading halfway through after he complained about sexism for the tenth time without giving a single example. It seems like the author just wants to complain and doesn't really know anything about what makes a company successful. Not worth reading at all.
This was my experience of Ballmer-era Microsoft management hires at my previous company. They were the perfect combination of narcissism, manipulativeness, toxicity, and above all else, idiocy. They did a lot of damage, probably irrevocably. They were know-nothing bullies who liked to yell if you ever questioned them, completely convinced of their own superiority. I've heard a lot of similar stories about these people at other companies. It's a shame what people like this get away with.
Usually you call them tools. They turn your screw at the command of their superior in whichever way they are told to. They provide great leverage for a weak upper management.
I worked at Microsoft during the Gates/Ballmer era and my recollection is that the culture was toxic and definitely needed to change. But AFAIK this was a common thing about companies even in SV at the time. I knew contemporaries at companies like Cisco and SGI who complained about exactly the same sort of behavior (Know-it-all assholes who would berate anyone they thought was inferior, self above company, etc.).
Seriously though, these sort of transitions take time, and people always underestimate just how much time. This is a huge cultural transition and you can't just fire all of the made-men one morning and usher in the new leaders to take there place. There is a real transition that has to happen on multiple levels and rushing it risks putting people in place that aren't yet up to speed.
I'm honestly surprised at just how fast it happening. And it is happening -- and quickly.
I entered and left MS during the Ballmer era. I liked my co-workers and my immediate manager was awesome, but I didn't see the company making the right moves to get web right, and they seemed to afraid to even mention the name "Google". I never would have predicted the Nadella turn-around.
I see all of these things as reasons to invest in Microsoft long term. As the author states: "Microsoft is killing it. Revenue is up. Stock is up. Industry stature is up. The places where Microsoft finds itself thriving all have one thing in common: key made-men were pushed aside for better people."
The fact that there are so many terrible managers still hanging around is like sludge in a jet engine. Once cleaned out (and that seems the direction they're moving), the company will hopefully skyrocket even further.
> The unsurprising result is that Windows continues its tradition of boring...
Come on, I understand the criticisms of botched updates, but Microsoft under Satya has been anything but boring - the incredible push towards open source is something many thought could never happen!
WSL and the upcoming WSL2 are likewise anything but boring - Linux! In Windows!
They were there from the beginning. Personalities are a feature only Microsoft can use though and it’s only now that they appear to be using it for something positive. It could be another embrace and extend attempt though.
Is every MS employee now writing these "my career at microsoft) pieces? Looking for clicks for their blogs ? Seems like a recurring phenom. Topic X features on the front page of hacker news and then everyone imitates it probably just trying to get clicks.
"At its core, Microsoft is a company that makes its money the old fashioned way: by creating products of value that people willingly part with their money to use. They stand as a bulwark against the data mongering and user exploitation that Google and Facebook see as the future of humanity."
Microsoft has always made its money by creating, maintaining, extending and exercising monopoly power. I don't have a reference for this, but as I recall, after the antitrust verdict, Microsoft "offered" to give schools free copies of Windows as part of its "punishment". I guess that really hurt them to have schools sending out all documents in Microsoft Office format. Only the latest versions of course, so that it created incompatibilities with every parent's version of Office, forcing everyone to upgrade if they wanted to read a note from their kids' teachers.
Since the Pentagon recently bought $10B in Microsoft products, I hope they consider that having a sole supplier is a national security issue, and force Microsoft to at least release an open spec of all Office document formats, and force them to update this spec at the same time product updates occur, if not months before.
It may be too late even for that since Office is now running in a Microsoft cloud. Maybe the Pentagon just bought $10B of Microsoft cloud services. In that case, the format doesn't even matter any more, because every document is born, lives, and dies on a Microsoft server somewhere.
Sure glad they aren't doing that "data mongering" thing.
> At its core, Microsoft is a company that makes its money the old fashioned way: by creating products of value that people willingly part with their money to use.
Call me skeptical, but there's not a whole lot of products I willfully pay Microsoft for. Most of them I pay for with a strong feeling of resentment that I have simply no other choice, since there are no competitors to the market or the lock in is too strong.
> Call me skeptical, but there's not a whole lot of products I willfully pay Microsoft for.
I have met many, many people who gladly pay for Office (specifically, Excel) or Visual Studio, so much does it increase their productivity. I'm not one of them, but I'm not an accountant and the code bases I work with are small and don't require VS's incredible tooling.
There are also adherents of the cult of Visio, but I honestly can't fathom what they see in it.
Microsoft can be faulted for many things, but the reason it is so successful is that it made some really good products that still haven't been surpassed.
I strongly agree on Office/Excel. Fantastic product suite (except maybe Outlook which is long in the tooth/essentially unimproved for the last ten years).
Visual Studio I'll slightly disagree on. I resent it. When VSCode, an electron application, can run lag/stutter/micro-freeze free and Visual Studio an IDE written in C++ cannot you know the codebase has become unmaintainable. This isn't a recent phenomenon either. This has been a nuisance in VS 2015, 17, and now 19 (16.4 Preview).
I'd love to switch to VSCode but the csprojec/C# support isn't there yet. I don't need a forms builder, server explorer, EDMX designer, test explorer, and all the other bells and whistles VS offers. I use VS strictly to write code (C# MVC/Web), run, and repeat. The refactoring tools/Intellisense/IntelliCode/QuickFixes are awesome but if I could trade them all for a lag free experience I would in a second.
I'm using a i7 (6th gen)/16 GB of RAM/SSD. I have no extensions except the built-in ones and Web Compiler/Bundler & Minifier. It doesn't help.
I'm also not a fan of VS. From my perspective it is an overly complicated bloated software. But I think that way about quite a lot of software.
However, the developers I've spoken with who love it tell me that it has some insanely good tooling that is just unmatched by anything else. I'm not even in a position to know what they're talking about or why it's so important to them, but that doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.
Do you have AV interfering with any intermediate files, etc? I know for MVC/ASP.NET once I blacklisted the overbearing AV scans on a few of those directories all my woes disappeared.
For whatever reason I have the opposite experience, VScode input lag is painful at times and VSPro is minimal. As you know once you master an IDE, keyboard shortcuts and common keywords are typically being entered at 200wpm+ in bursts and its quite noticeable. Initial startup is definitely poor for both.
> I don't need a forms builder, server explorer, EDMX designer, test explorer, and all the other bells and whistles VS offers.
Same. CodeLens gets immediately disabled. Makes me wonder if there would be a way to hack up a stripped down "VS Lite".
The genius of Microsoft is in the long-term thinking. The individual products are easily critiqued. Their planning often mistimes stuff or gets caught out by new developments, and they play a lot of hardball to get where they want to go (which has never made anyone look good), but when they hit, they hit big, and make not just a product but an entire kingdom, which has all the downsides of monopoly but also substantial upside too.
While the Ballmer years saw the company coast along on its old crown jewels, missing nearly every opportunity, Nadella's MSFT has shaped up to be one that is building a few new kingdoms - in the cloud space, open dev tools, new consumer hardware (see the upcoming Surface lineup) - it's definitely not the Windows + Office company of old.
The Surface line (Surface Pro, Surface Laptop, and Surface Book) have hit that category lately, IMO. The specific value proposition is "it's a well designed device at a reasonable price and it doesn't come with a giant pile of OEM crapware."
I've been using a dedicated GPU (switchable) model of the gen 1 Surface Book for four years, and (other than that gigantic hiccup where Intel screwed up the power management on their chips) I've loved it. Plays many of the fancier video games, battery life on the scale of 5-7 hours under web browsing workloads, great screen, and with WSL2 I get most of my Linux development needs covered as well. I can detach the screen and use it while I'm flying. I can break out the stylus when I need to draw diagrams in meetings (or... when I'm dungeon-mastering for D&D).
Apparently you've never used Visual Studio. It is amazing.
Many of Microsoft's products are simple and boring at first glance. However, when you really want to flex it to do something powerful, the features are usually there. Their products have so many years of development in them and it shows because their products stand the test of time, particularly in the enterprise. I'm glad there are lot of other vendors entering the market though as it keeps companies like MSFT innovating.
I finally got to use one (I think it was a bottom-tier gen 2? Whatever was current at the time) about a year and a half ago when we got one for testing stuff in IE/Edge.
When I first heard of the Surface, what I thought it'd be: a bad laptop and a worse tablet.
After I read and heard people raving about how great it was for years, what I thought it'd be when I finally got to use one: a great laptop and a good-enough tablet.
What it was when I finally got to use it, very much to my surprise at that point: a bad laptop and a worse tablet.
Surface Pro is currently in it's 7th generation. There is an enormous difference between the Surface Pro 2 and Surface Pro 7, let alone the other products that have come out since then like the Book and Laptop.
I genuinely enjoy using mine. It has a great screen, and the kickstand + pen makes for a solid photoshop experience.
I wish the battery life was better, and I think Microsoft is missing out by not having the detachable keyboard have a small battery onboard so that you could use the keyboard on the side while you're drawing. But it's my favorite mobile device, and I'm not joking, astroturfing, or anything like that.
Sort of. That cover was designed to increase the battery life of the device itself- it didn't work as a detachable keyboard, and it was very bulky, like you mentioned. I'm thinking something more like a button cell that would get you a day's worth of unattached work simply as a wireless keyboard, then recharge when it's clipped back on at night.
Oh, Bummer. I never saw that accessory before! Glad to know they were at least thinking along those lines, though. If they came out with a battery-powered, non-bulky wireless keyboard today, I'd buy it in an instant.
Surface book was just the first time ever for me. (Original iPhone was before I cared)
The original Surface Pro was decent, but generally slow and bulky. The first Surface Book, on the other hand, is still a great, versatile piece of hardware several years later.
Of course, YMMV - a tablet alone doesn't cover everything for me, but for some people needing a keyboard/base for connections may not work out.
This part feels like it applies to every tech company I've ever worked at, especially in the context of all the high profile "repeat sex offender is quietly escorted out of the building with a payout" scandals at big SV tech firms in the last decade:
"Treating the culpables as untouchable sends a message to the current offenders that these behaviors are in bounds and those who practice them suffer no lingering effects. It does nothing to stop the fiscal regularity of companywide memos condemning ongoing sexism, racism and bullying. It does nothing to stop the revolving door of the majority of new college hires leaving the moment their signing bonuses become permanent. It does nothing to stop the cycle of sucking up to those in power in an effort to gain power for oneself."
Reminds me a bit of the story of Charles de Gaulle. A war hero, a powerful man of his time that overstayed his welcome when the world changed around him.
Having been a MSFT watcher through all three eras, I have to say I've been especially impressed with Satya Nadella.
I really thought the age of the web would spell Microsoft's downfall. I couldn't see past the desktop. But Satya found the cloud and brought back the mojo. Excellent move.
I really love this line at the end of the article: "At its core, Microsoft is a company that makes its money the old fashioned way: by creating products of value that people willingly part with their money to use." I wish more tech companies embodied this ethos!
I would be curious to see Gates’ take in his maturity. In fact I visualize a more curious and playful Microsoft as Gates himself pushing it that way behind the scenes.
As for "Microsoft people on HN", that is a red herring. The OP is currently in the #2 position and hardly flattering to MS. Ditto for many comments in the thread. When you review the site guidelines, please note the one asking users not to post insinuations of astroturfing without evidence.
These nonsense comments smack of a personal agenda that is more concerned with hating him because he has money than anything to do with this article, which is the point of discussion here. Gates' Reddit AMA response and how much money he has is irrelevant in the context of an article about Nadella's leadership of a Microsoft nearly two decades after his departure.
What about these comments of mine are nonsense, in your optionion? Please clarify in detail.
I'm not hating at Bill Gates for having money. I'm hating at him because he abused the market and set us back. We would have been so much further by now in terms of software development if it hadn't been for him.
People hating Bill Gates have always been a minority. I was a Mac user on the late 90s internet, and "Windows rules!" was the theme of the day. The less technically savvy had even less reason to hate him.
The people who think he set things back horribly are not a majority of the general public in any age group.
>> At its core, Microsoft is a company that makes its money the old fashioned way: by creating products of value that people willingly part with their money to use. They stand as a bulwark against the data mongering and user exploitation that Google and Facebook see as the future of humanity.
"But my former female colleagues who reviewed this document in advance of its publication are unconvinced. None of them report feeling emboldened by the new Microsoft. They continue to withhold reports of discriminatory management practices. They relate stories of reports of abuse going unpunished and continue to fear reprisals for speaking out. In fact, multiple reviewers noted, independently, the irony that the only reason I am comfortable enough to speak out is that I am a “50-year old white dude” and, thus, girded against reprisal from the body politic. So they remain silent when, in fact, they are among the voices Microsoft needs to hear the most. Apparently, Microsoft has dipped only a single toe in the river that flows to the future."