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I have the feeling you look at things from one side only, making one party as good and the other as evil, there are extremist groups in Israel too as there are in Palestine, each side made atrocities to the other, each side have people that really hate the other party.

Withdrawal from Gaza is very opinionated, some say it was to give Palestinians self rule as you say, many others see it as a tactical move making it an open air prison, and that Israel itself preferred that Hamas take over Gaza.

My only hope is that on both sides there are enough people that want to live in peace and prosperity with equal rights and care for each others regardless of their roots and don’t care if you call it Israel or Palestine or whatever.



What I was trying to present is that Israel already tried to do all those things that you talk about over last 30 years and it didn't work.

Extremist groups in Israel came to life after second intifada and started as revenge groups, that performed same type of attacks that Palestinians performed on Israeli. You can say that they were radicalized by Palestinian violence (I think in your original post you were worried about results of radicalization as result of violence, didn't you ? Somehow people forget that it can go both ways). They also don't hold a candle to hamas/pij/pflp/etc and their actions way overreported and misreported [0] while other stuff is underreported [1]

Blockade of gaza mostly started in 2007 after palestinian elections of 2006 in which hamas won both in west bank and gaza (usa pushed to have election), failed coup (sponsored by usa) of PLO against hamas that resulted in hamas (internationally recognized terrorist organization). takeover of gaza in 2007. I want to remind that Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005 and what followed are hundreds of rockets on Israel [2]

[0] https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articl...

[1] https://www.jns.org/over-6300-terror-attacks-against-jews-in...

[2] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/number-of-rocket-attack...


Extremist groups in Israel existed since 1940s (before its establishment) or even before …

And the actions of Israel in the past 30 years, and affirmations from its leaders don’t seem to be moving toward the OSLO accords, otherwise why building all those settlements in the west-bank? It just doesn’t make sense.

anyway who cares about the past I am more interested in the future:

1) In your opinion how all this crisis could be solved?

2) If you had the misfortune of being born in Gaza, and obviously you cannot leave it, what would you do?


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For you first question I didn’t have an answer, so I did some research and based on what I read, it seems a lot of expansion, land seizure and legalisation of unauthorised outposts in addition to new expansion plans for existing settlements.

For hostages it seems that neither side wants them to be released, hamas wants to keep them to bargain and Israel uses them to have a reason to continue bombing Gaza.

Any Palestinian government should have full authority on its land, people, resources and financies, I agree that the current one is full of corruption but it is also largely controlled by Israel, even their wages pass from Isreal, a government with no authority is no government.

As for the school curriculum, again I had no idea and I searched and I found that both sides are guilty: [A study titled “Israeli and Palestinian textbooks erase the other side, report finds” analyzed dozens of school books (Israeli and Palestinian) and found that a large proportion of Israeli books (75%) and Palestinian books (81%) describe the other side as “the enemy.” This suggests that portrayal of the “other” as adversarial is common]

Most of the 100K either had another nationality or left for human aid (injured people), many of gazans already left their homes in 1984 and lived as refugees in Gaza, I don’t think they want to leave a second time because leaving means no coming back, also why those people should leave their land? They should have the right to stay there.

Finally for the last comment, do you think there is a place to hide? How can you get food? Medicine? Money? I can’t imagine being put in such conditions!


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> so you can't quantify what happens in west bank. something happens but it's not clear ?can you quantify expansion and land seizure ? over timeline.

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