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Employers must provide PPE. Workers must wear it or be let go. This is not hard.


Fire your workers and you have no one to do the work. If your whole crew refuses to wear a mask and completion of the next job means you make rent then what are your options?


> Employers must provide PPE.

Firing skilled laborers harms both the employer and the employee.

> Workers must wear it or be let go.

Firing skilled laborers harms both the employer and the employee.

> This is not hard.

It seems very hard.


> It seems very hard.

Its not. From a most basic level you (whatever position you're in, I've been the laborer myself, later the foreman and more recently the superintendent, now the field engineer) must keep an eye out and do your part to first, instill the safety culture, secondly to enforce it and hit any lapses as soon as they happen (sit someone out, send them home, write them up) and third, show everyone that you fucking mean it and its not a bunch of empty words, typically, by pushing back against higher management when they're trying to push schedules and work loads down onto the field crews that aren't realistic.

Whether you're using emotional appeals with your field crews, pointing out that no one comes to work not to go home at the end of the day, and how harrowing it is to watch a friend get hurt or killed, how it'll effect their partners and families; or a hard nosed impersonal business logic to explain to schedulers that pushing the team won't make them any more productive, or to accountants that cutting the budget for cheaper PPE will only instill a bad taste, I can't deny it takes work. But again it isn't hard, in the end no one wants to get hurt. You have to get past that teenaged sense of invulnerability and get it into their heads that it can and will happen to them unless they're careful.

> Firing skilled laborers harms both the employer and the employee.

Crews come and go, grow and shrink. Firing a troublesome employee brings a lot less harm to both parties than someone getting hurt or killed.


yeah, this seems like one of those over-analyzing things.

"what if I bend incorrectly whilst picking up this gum wrapper that blew into my yard?!?!".

technically they're not saying anything that's untrue, and yet...

and yes, I get it, a full on back support belt to pick up a gum wrapper is probably overkill, but walking around a construction site without steel toed boots sure as shit isn't. You may disagree with exactly where that line sits, but there is a line, and when it's crossed "it aint hard".


Firing them wouldn't harm them more than letting them destroy their lungs. And PPE requirements are commonly mandatory: you can't set foot in a construction area without a hardhat, no matter who you are.


> And PPE requirements are commonly mandatory

Yes, and it's mandatory to drive the speed limit. And yet, here we are.


Depends on the fines. Where I am, simply doing 11+ gets an automatic suspension of your license. When I was in the US, it was a joke in that you had to "get pulled over" to get a fine. Here it is automated all over the place.


It's funny. This discussion keeps getting pulled in different directions. Are you advocating that we automate PPE use in the workforce? Otherwise, what's the point of this comment?


> Are you advocating that we automate PPE use in the workforce?

No, I'm saying fine the company out of business for not enforcing the wearing of PPE and then actually do it.


Regulators and liability lawsuits it is then I suppose. Those will be harmful to businesses and workers as well, but powered by media reporting and the public sphere.


Where they'll continue to come up with half measures and platitudes, yes. Because it's a very hard problem to solve and enforce. Glad we agree!


Seems like a complete no-brainer to me. If employer is found to not enforce basic safety things, no matter how skilled the worker who doesn't use them is, they receive a hefty fine. We are not talking about a guy who sometimes forgets to wear a mask or anything insignificant like that, but complete "f u I won't wear shit" attitude that should be met only with "ok, get lost then". It's extremely simple when you think about it. If you give the option to either be safe or not, the cool guys will never take the safe option and even bully those who do because unfortunately that's just how tradie culture is in general.

People can destroy their health for all I care, but the society should care a lot about enforcing certain things on employers because I don't really believe that those employers are voluntarily paying the medical bills of their victims.




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