The first person I know who committed suicide, did so after being arrested for something that shouldn't have even been illegal. But the ordeal into which he was plunged by law enforcement was too much to handle. He was very stressed out by the shame of being in the newspaper and such, but nobody realized the degree until it was too late.

The second, too. Different details but overall similar scenario; he wrote of the feeling of being ground up by this massive machine.

Want to make someone feel hopeless, start by sending police in place of counselors.

I only know two people who've committed suicide. So that's not a great track record for police making things better.

There is a difference. Actively preventing someone from committing suicide, taking them from the absolute brink of destruction, is the first step towards recovery. Intervention works.

> The first person I know who committed suicide, did so after being arrested for something that shouldn't have even been illegal. But the ordeal into which he was plunged by law enforcement was too much to handle. He was very stressed out by the shame of being in the newspaper and such, but nobody realized the degree until it was too late.

I'm sorry to hear that, but that's entirely non sequitur to my point.

> Want to make someone feel hopeless, start by sending police in place of counselors.

Intervention by police to prevent someone actively trying to kill himself results in better outcomes for the person than the person actually killing himself. Or it could be firefighters. Or a random passerby. Police are sent because they are what is available.