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In early December of 2019 with absolutely no indication that a new virus was being spread, the Chinese figured out that they had a) a new virus and b) they were able to identify the virus.

In this case the Chinese knew, in early December, they had a problem when they only had a handful of cases. HOW????

COVID presents like the flu, so there isn't a novel symptom to help them identify that something new is in play.

There wasn't a significant rise in cases or deaths. There couldn't be a significant rise in deaths because there weren't that many cases. A small cluster of flu cases escalating into pneumonia, and then death won't raise a red flag because it happens all the time. I've had multiple Chief Medial Officers tell me this.

With COVID presenting like the flu, and with so few cases the ONLY way they could know that a new virus was spreading was if they had prior knowledge. The only way they could get prior knowledge was because someone working at the lab got sick, and then people they came in contact with got sick.

If this really happened organically then it should have been spreading pretty damn fast, and because it presents like the flu it wouldn't have raised any eyebrows until either the case rates spiked or the death rates spiked. In the U.S. flu cases per year range from a low of 9.3M to a high of 45M and deaths of 12,000 up to 61,000.

I suspect that China sees the same fluctuations in yearly flu cases so localized spikes wouldn't have raised any eyebrows it wouldn't have gotten anyone's attention until hospitals started to get overwhelmed. But in early December they didn't have that many cases.

So how did they know?


Ground glass lung X-rays?


Decriminalization is not the answer.

Legalization is the answer, it moves the money from the illegal market to the legal market. Instead of funding crime, and illegal activities, the money in the legal market creates jobs, money in the legal market is taxed, and tracked.


It also reduces public health problems related to the illicit sale of cannabis products.

Counterfeit vape carts and shady cannabis flower is the only way many folks can access the substance. These products can easily come with terrible chemicals — a couple of years ago a string of incidents occurred over street carts containing vitamin E and other substances that caused lung damage.

People want cannabis and they're not going to stop over its illegality. Legalize it, regulate its production.


Legalize and let people grow their own without requiring a license.


Another political article about how it's not possible that the Chinese were studying the virus and some underpaid lab tech screwed and and exposed himself and then did what humans always do, the tech tried to cover up the mistake.

Nobody has still explained how the Chinese knew they had a problem in early December when they only had a handful of cases, like less than 100 cases. This is the question that needs to be answered. Until this question is answered satisfactorily the lab leak is the most reasonable explanation.

The normal ways you detect a new virus is because:

a) you have novel symptoms, COVID presents as the flu and early on tests didn't exist. b) you have a statistically significant number of cases, early on the number of cases didn't exceed the seasonal variability of the flu. c) you have a statically significant number of deaths, early on the number of death's didn't exceed the seasonal variability of the flu.

When the Chinese knew they had a problem, there was NOTHING that would indicate anything out of the ordinary was taking place, so then how did the Chinese know they had a problem?

If the virus really jumped species in the wet market, the Chinese wouldn't have known they had a problem until either the cases or the death totals started to exceed the normal variability of the flu. If that had happened we wouldn't have know about COVID until Late Jan or early Feb, and then it would have been really, really ugly. But that's not what happened, the Chinese knew about it in early December. The only way they could have known is if they had prior knowledge.


They were no wild animals sold at the seafood market, only seafood product. Picture of people eating bat soup were taken in Palau island. Wild animal market pictures were taken in Guilin, Gongguan or even Tomohon market in Indonesia. Youtube, Twitter and Facebook were spammed with fake videos claiming to be from Wuhan wet market although they were from these other locations. An interview in a Japanese documentary in Wuhan: https://youtu.be/N4ABOJ1y5iM?t=429

Nobody seems to remember that by the end of March 2020, there was a report about Guilin and Gongguan wild animal markets already reopening: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8163761/Chinese-mar...


COVID was detected as SARS when Wuhan doctors started harboring suspicions and requested analysis of some patient samples. So it was immediately known that a SARS outbreak or something very much like it was in progress.


"Another political article about how it's not possible that the Chinese were studying the virus and some underpaid lab tech screwed and and exposed himself and then did what humans always do, the tech tried to cover up the mistake."

no, you're wrong. You need to focus attention not on the lab-leak, which could be small mistake by an underling, but instead on the gain-of-function research that is the goal of labs like Wuhan and likely created this virus with approval of the highest levels of the lab.


Isn’t the article about misreporting by multiple organisations? Rather than about the source of COVID-19?


i think the story is that doctors noticed cases of unusual pneumonia and investigated further. not impossible, especially in a country with SARS experience


Frankly the odds of a lab leak are much greater than a bat virus from a thousand miles away jumping across two species in a the Wuhan market.


$18 WI-C310 Sony Bluetooth earbuds and $49 Movo vxr10-pro shotgun microphone.

The earbuds are hardly noticeable, and the shotgun microphone can be kept off camera with outstanding audio and no concern of feedback.


It isn't just sugar, it's all the simple carbs that get turned into sugar, such as breads, pasta, rice, cereals, potato chips, popcorn, milk, rice milk, etc once digested.

Whole grain bread and pasta's don't have enough fiber to really change their glycemic index, even whole grain bread has a worse glycemic index than Coke.

It's no wonder that they expect that 60% of all Americans will be obese by 2030. Insulin, it's a helluva of thing.


Pasta, even the normal kind has a relatively low glycemic index, white rice is somewhat in the middle. White bread is really the killer here.


Not in November when the Chinese first discovered the virus.


You’re repeating this claim as if it’s well established - do you have a citation?

There are some indications that it might have been spreading possibly as early as September but the coverage I’ve seen was preliminary and researchers were cautious about concluding anything without more comprehensive tests to rule out things like cross-reactivity with other coronaviruses. The generally accepted patient 0 for the outbreak must have been infected in November to be symptomatic in early December but I haven’t seen any credible claims that anyone in China had identified this as a new disease until late December.


Not enough, and not in November when the Chinese first discovered the cases.

flu cases year to year have a very wide variety. In the U.S. the low number of cases one year was 16M two years later it was 68 Million cases.


What I find extraordinary is that none of the developers who play the game never bothered to fix this problem.

If I was a developer at Rockstar and played this game I would have have spent my own time to fix this problem just so that I didn't need to sit around and wait every time I played the game.


Publicly available software suffers from the fact that millions and millions of people can poke and prod at the software in ways that the manufacture can't due to resource and time constraints driven by the need to generate revenue.

Microsoft runs their software through multiple code scanners looking for weakneses. Developers do unit testing, and then there is acceptance testing. Microsoft conducts internal penetration tests on their software. Microsoft hires 3rd parties to conduct penetration tests on their software. Large corporations conduct internal penetration tests on Exchange, and hire 3rd party companies to conduct penetration tests on Exchange, just to be sure. Governments conduct penetration tests on Exchange.

A lot of people have been poking at Exchange for years, and years, and years, and this bug was just discovered, and it's been present in the code base for at least 7 years, I'd say that's pretty damn good, it seems like a hardened product to me, not a slipshod product as you suggest.

You are so funny. First you complain that Microsoft has no incentive to deliver quality software, then you complain that they can't delivery quality software quickly.

I guess they would have been better off not bother to conduct all the testing necessary to ensure that they didn't fix one problem and create two more.


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