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Salaries are specified in the "job grade" section, which it's linked salary it's public here: https://careers.cern/salary-conditions

also, if I recall properly of my time there salary was free of taxes :)


The second highest is 108k CHF annually so we're looking rather at something around 70k. In Zurich. As a new arrival one is always expected to "put their foot in the door" and once you walk in, you learn you don't belong.


It is an entry-level salary. So if it is comparable to most other Swiss salaries for higher education, it will be able to increase by at least 70%.


But as a tech worker I can expect, screw that, demand at least 320k for a junior role! Otherwise I will be poooooor! /s

Sometimes the VC-backed bubble entitlement is nothing short of stunning.


> demand at least 320k

Instead there is "we think 70k is a fair salary (please don't look at our housing market)"... I don't think either of the amounts is reasonable.


Depends with whom you compare youself. First, as others pointed out, CERN is 100k for an entry level position that is tax excempt. Second, while I don't know about Zurich, 70k are enough to live a comfortable live in Munich. Not sure whatelse people wanr, because 70k is way above what most people in, in my example, Munich earn, and those people live as well.

Maybe people should step out of their pseudo-rich bubble and become a little bit more modest. Also, not measuring everything based on one figure, e.g. yearly salary, propably improves live quality quite a bit.


This all might be true if housing is somehow not a problem. Otherwise one is forced to climb up from the bottom-most layer of a pit of scams and abuse.


Since when is housing not part of living? My example explicitly includes housing / renting in one of the most expensive cities in Germany.


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And also they pay for your health insurance, which in Switzerland is far from negligible


Brazil has a similar system called “boleto”, you chose that option and the systems promts you a barcode you can use to pay with cash in ATMs, paharmacie and some other stores with no comission AFAIK.

It has some limits (10000 BRL when i used it) but thats more than enough for most purchases


Switzerland has (or had?) those red and blue slips that you could pay online or at a bank or perhaps an ATM. It made online payments virtually zero overhead, not sure if it was anonymous.


What I never understood is: why tech conferences focus on everything but the skills we should care about? Every time I take a look on the talks section of a given conference seems like gathering the "quickstart" section of N technologies and just fill some hours of the day talking about it.


The breakout rooms and tutorial sections are for ICs and other interested parties. The big talk rooms are for the check writers, managers, and decision makers. I've been the conferences that will have business tracks and technical tracks. And the technical rooms were the reason I even bother to go.


- weekly meal plan: I let chat gpt decide almost all my meals for a week given specific macro distribution parameters and I made a small script that takes the ingredient list and automatically orders them from the supermarket

- explore tech ideas: when I have an idea about how to improve a specific part of a system by using something I have little to no experience with I use chat gpt to explore topics, get to know which topics should I study to properly understand the solution and validate different alternatives


Just tried this. It worked pretty well! I'm abroad right now and I told it where I am and it worked pretty darn well.


Could you share the prompts you use for the meal plans?


Cannot speak for the post above, but yes, you can work on a different country and still pay taxes on your origin country. Doesn't work for any country or any circumstance though.

Typical case is when you work for a multi-national company and they send you to work in a different country for less than 183 days, you will keep paying taxes in your own country despite your legal employer is now the legal entity in the new country.


Not on the same scale but in my previous company we observed the same thing (though the other way around since we moved from self-hosted to cloud).

He had a team of 4 managing the infra for an app (82 million users, 30 million DAU) and spent around 500.000€ per year on the data centers + this team's salaries + some other expenses like travels to the datacenters, some new stuff etc..., let's say around 1.000.000€ per year.

At some point upper management decided to move to the cloud and we eneded up in a worse situation: the promise of easier resource management was unfulfilled since the same 4 people was managing now the cloud so no cost reduction on that side and most important, cloud costs were 4-5 times higher than self-hosting

I still wonder why management decided to go that way


I was PM for a cloud hosting solution that we were originally running colocated. We moved it all to AWS for about 5x the costs after you calculated capex vs opex etc.

"The Cloud" allowed our customers to set up their applications with High Availability and PITR (via RDS, building that ourselves at scale would have been problematic). It also allowed us to launch services anywhere in the world. Setting up data centers globally would have been hell.

The product was still easily profitable despite the costs, so I think we made the right move.


We are nearly two decades from the launch of EC2 and I still need to explain to people (technical and not) that the cloud isn’t cheaper once you get to a certain scale. Everyone is always amazed.


Cost is only one aspect and infra should know that moving to the cloud will usually be more expensive than running on colo. I assume there were other aspects that played a role in this decision like elasticity, scalability and high-availability which are easier to go for with a cloud provider.


Wow what a number ! 5 times more expensive !


I made a small script to get weekly recipes with certain macronutrient composition from chatgpt, then i linked the ingredient list with my supermarket’s api so every monday I get delivered everything


How have you found the quality of chatgpt’s recipes?


I would bet all my money on malarone


Mefloquine seems much more notable for adverse neuropsychological side effects.

This was a big worry for me around ten years ago, when travelling to Africa while suffering from an anxiety/panic disorder. I was desperate to avoid taking anything that could make it worse. Doxycycline seemed like the safest choice at the time (and the cheapest!)



Bingo!


> Doctors aren't paid when you are healthy

Isn't it worst that doctors are paid if you are not healthy? Doesn't it create an incentive for them to prevent you from being completely healthy?

Anyway, most countries in Europe pay their doctors regardless of you health status and that money comes out directly of taxpayers' pockets whom most of them are 100% happy to make it that way


But doctors in Europe are paid a pittance in comparison.

Like less than a third or even a quarter of US wages.

That's the real issue - they will never want to take a hit to living standards. It was possible in the UK because it was directly after the war and the Blitz had killed hundreds of thousands of people, and there was a real threat of communism.

Whereas the USA is nowhere that situation today. Things are going very well for the majority of people so drastic change would be very hard.


> That's the real issue - they will never want to take a hit to living standards.

So what are they gonna do? Refuse to treat people and starve themselves to death? They'll be replaced by people willing to earn less and who probably care about the work they do rather than just caring about earning a fat paycheck - those exist, as other countries prove. Seems like a win to me.


Yeah, go on strike, or refuse to work with the public health system, etc.

Britain had all of these issues and it cost a lot of money.

There's also other issues - like the NHS doesn't cover circumcision unless there is medical need (this is not so controversial in the UK, but would be in the USA), and it does cover gender transition surgery, etc. (despite covering no other cosmetic surgery, and nowadays not covering dentistry or opticians) - all of these issues are controversial and difficult.


> But doctors in Europe are paid a pittance in comparison. Like less than a third or even a quarter of US wages.

I'm not sure that comparing absolute amounts between countries makes a lot of sense. And doctors would still likely be in top 1% to 5% also in Europe.


> But doctors in Europe are paid a pittance in comparison.

It also doesn't cost them a million dollar to become a doctor.

And they don't have to work 80 hours a week.

Doctors in Europe are also easily in the top 5% earners.


The only time in my life i was satisified with my job was at the start of my career when I spent a couple of years at CERN, there was a lot of freedom to try new things and technologies, you could generate great imapct and the people around was very nice.


That's a little bit sad, but understandable at the same time. I can't imagine working at some place like CERN, especially early in your career when you're just excited to be a part of things. That's a tough act to follow.


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