Let me get this straight: in June 2008, Airbnb got intro'd to a bunch of investors, who all said no [1]. In September of 2008, Airbnb had a $250k round on the table that valued them at 2.5M[2]. And then, also in September 2008 (before YC usually does interviews) they rejected that offer for YC, who ended up giving them $20k[3], with a valuation presumably around $250k?? (Although Brian Chesky says that didn't happen until November, it sounds like they got some kind of verbal confirmation earlier?)
It's not weird at all. Brian talked to a ton of people over many months. He was raising many months before I met him. And then I came in. I then spent too long negotiating but then we finally worked out a deal end of Sep and then my lawyers and their lawyers negotiated the agreement Sep 26th and then we did our dinner. But then YC smartly moved in after this closing dinner and booted me out. Funny enough Justin Kan and I ended up in Vegas a few years later at a tech party at Caesars hotel and had a good laugh about it. He remembered me as the crazy Marine who was writing a huge check into Airbnb before they elbowed me out. This isn't unusual - they probably googled me at the time (back then all of the results would have been stories about iraq, Syria, afghanistan, Pakistan operations; black operations and crazy shit). They probably thought they were protecting Airbnb and keeping dumb money out of the cap table. It's quite common for good investors to strongly advise you not to take dumb money and I agree with the practice.
And that goes back to one of the lessons from my post. I realized that for founders and investors to take me seriously and not lose deals I had to prove myself, build a positive brand by helping founders and getting smarter about this new world I was operating in.
> ..YC smartly moved in after this closing dinner and booted me out.
Do you think YC told AirBnB "We won't accept you on our programme if you take investment from Paige", or do you reckon it was AirBnB's decision to join the YC programme instead of taking your investment?
Pure speculation here: But objectively I think my money was perceived as "dumb money" and YC had a great rep even back then. When you compare the offers the YC money is clearly the best deal and smarter move.
Thanks for joining the conversation! To clarify, I didn't mean to insinuate that I thought anyone was necessarily lying; it's more of a "surprised" weird. Surprised because:
(a) Based on your story, Airbnb got accepted into YC early (or at least received a strong enough signal that they would be accepted). I don't think that's inconsistent with Airbnb or YC's account, I'd just never heard about it before (amidst a ton of lore about Airbnb's early days at YC).
(b) Airbnb had the foresight to see that YC's deal was better than yours. This would actually have been non-obvious in 2008: Dropbox was only a year old, Stripe didn't exist yet, and YC's best-known successes at the time would have been Heroku and Reddit. Not to mention the fact that you were offering them 10x the cash at 10x the valuation.
So it is "weird" in the way that history is kind of weird. I don't doubt your version of events though, and I appreciate you sharing it.
See my reply to beambot below. TLDR : my fault not Airbnb
As to posting details of the deal I've held off on this for years as I never wanted to hurt them and I don't see any way these early numbers are going to impact Airbnb. The specific point was to (1) demonstrate that the metrics many investors look for at this stage are meaningless and reinforce that founders working in the right Cardinal direction is what's important (at least to me).
The other details (events, feature list, budget) are documents we were brainstorming on and I wanted to see (1) how they think and (2) how fast they think. The point about the bugs, intros, etc isn't to demonstrate that I added meaningful value. Instead these docs demonstrate tte quality of the founders and their focus and planning.
As for "bossing" people around you're missing the context of this interaction. If you and I are sitting down figuring out your budget, user acquisition and product am I bossing you around when I ask to see results? I'll admit I'm demanding but i certainly don't believe in bossing founders around. If I have to boss you around then I'm walking away from the deal - I like to back founders who's own internal demands and expectations are higher than my own.
Either way appreciate all the thoughts here. I've waited seven years to start discussing startups / funding etc and you'll find that this and future posts will often focus on founder qualities.
Thanks for your post - and welcome to HN, we appreciate your posting here. On reflection I chose to delete the comment, unfortunately I saw that you wrote a reply to it afterward. I think my comment was overly critical.
I think the key insight that a lot of people may miss in your post is about timing - the first email your post quoted from Brian said they wanted to close $100K to operate "for the next 4 months", so a closing time 6 weeks later (1.5 months into that period) is quite late in that process. Early stage companies are radically underfunded and at times running on vapors. If you hadn't closed in time and the company had died, you never would have written about "the time you killed a $25 billion company* by not investing in time when you were the only investor who they could still count on". You would have long-since forgotten them.
So the lesson to investors is to cut the check! You may not have another opportunity.
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying;
And this same deal that smiles today
To-morrow will be dying.
You being up a great point around the potential of "killing" a great company and this is important. I was always sensitive to their position as I'd been there 5 years earlier when I bootstrapped my company.
I always negotiated in good faith with them and spent time to understand their needs. Look at the budgets: When you look at that budget with handwritten notes that's my writing - I was concerned they weren't raising enough and I asked them to take more money to get more runway AND i agree to increase the valuation to account for the dilution.
As far as the "six weeks goes" that was from the first day we met until the day I had my lawyers at Greenberg Traurig negotiate docs with their counsel at Fenwick. Part of the delay was my own stupidity; I had my lawyers drafting custom docs (which I paid for completely out of pocket and didn't push into the closing costs). Brian has rightly sent me standard YC docs to use but I was too ignorant to even know what those docs were. And then I spent two weeks negotiating terms and final valuation.
The other complication is Brian wanted me to meet with another angel he wanted to bring into the round (I left this out of the post as I didn't want to embarrass this angel; we actually became pretty right friends after all this). So this other guy and I met up a couple times before he decided he wouldn't do the deal and that delayed us as well.
But I was always direct on my commitment to Brian and once we agreed to terms I immediately had my lawyers move to closing quickly.
I just had a similar situation with a company we committed to fund this year. We were coleading the deal with another VC; this other VC ended up in a protracted (2 months) negotiation of docs. We (Arena) couldn't fund our half of the deal until docs were finalized with this other VC. So the founder calls me up because he's now 3 weeks away from missing payroll and may have to slow down user acq that's going great and He's obviously worried that if this seed round fails the company is dead. And I told him not to stress - I offered him a $250k personal loan to his company at the lowest simple interest rate and he didn't have to secure it or offer me any warrants or incentives. I peronsally funded his company two days later and we're all good.
My point being - I do understand the consequences of being a bad investor because I always try to imagine myself in the founders shoes. I was in that spot years ago and I know how vulnerable it can feel. Even though I wasn't a well educated investor when I was doing the Airbnb deal I never took any action that would have harmed their potential.
Six weeks for closing a seed/angel investment from introduction to term sheet sign-off is not "too long". From my reading, it seems there was a firm commitment on both sides and hence, it was bad of both airbnb and YC to cut you off totally. At the very least, I would have expected the likes of YC to allow you to co-invest instead of simply assuming you were a newbie marine. After all, it was not as if YC had seen some stellar exits by mid-2008.
> Investors, if you want a deal, cut a check: it's not complicated. Founders don't have time for your games - you're the one with the cash, they're the ones with burning ships actually doing something.
this makes it sound like investors simply crawl out of bed one day and say something uncomplicated like "mm I feel like giving money away to some startup for breakfast"
The timeline is weird.
1. https://medium.com/@bchesky/7-rejections-7d894cbaa084
2. https://arenavc.com/2015/07/airbnb-my-1-billion-lesson/
3. http://www.quora.com/How-much-money-did-Airbnb-raise-What-is...