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JooJoo tablet website updated, opens "pre-orders" (thejoojoo.com)
20 points by tuukkah on Dec 12, 2009 | hide | past | favorite | 35 comments



The backlash is understandable, considering how people in the valley worship arrington and TC's influence, but after arrington's post yesterday, I really fail to see what's wrong with the device other then the fact that arrington is whining about it. He's pissed that they moved forward with the IP that they rightfully deserve, and everyone rushes to his defense? I'm pretty sick of listening to gossip.

I hear no discussion about the specs of the device. Let's discuss the merits of the device and other tablets like it. What can be improved? What can apple do better?


everyone rushes to his defense

That's definitely not the feeling I got reading the comments on HN.


I would think it's to be expected from the the dwellers of a technology-startup oriented community to have a higher immunity to Arrington's charm than the average netizen.


Interesting choice for a first comment in a one-week old account. Well, welcome to Hacker News, whoever you might be.


The truth is probably that, had they not squandered their relationship with Arrington, and TC had announced, joyously, that pre-orders were available today. It would have been a land-slide victory - possibly even with the price change.

Classic geek-in-business mistake. You can create the greatest product in the world, but without top-notch marketing, it's nothing.

They underestimated the relationship between TC readers and this product. They will learn how much Arrington really did do for the "Crunchpad".


The JooJoo looks amazing but I'm not going to gamble by being an early adoption. When a company already has one lawsuit and their product is not shipping yet, I don't want to chance my $499. I could care less if the JooJoo makes Arrington cry nor do I want to chance my money on a pre-order on a product that may never see the light of day..

I'm going to wait for them to ship in 8 to 10 weeks and see what people say once they actually own the tablet. If it's as amazing as it looks, then I might have to buy one. If Chrome OS will run on the tablet then I'm even more apt to buy one because I trust that Google will keep their OS more up to date. For now, I'm going to not be an early adopter and take the safe road.


You couldn't care less. Or, is it that you do care?


All of the product shots look like Photoshop mockups. Note the shadows and highlights and the pixelated edges around the simulated pictures on the device. When "real" vendors do this, there is always a disclaimer that says that the images are simulated.


Many of apple's product shots look like photoshop too. I never saw an "all images are simulated" disclaimer..


Perhaps that's something that is only done in advertising, I've never skeptically reviewed Apple's website.


But you know what they're showing exists and you won't get screwed over. Trust.


I also doubt they licensed the image from Avatar to market their device. This is generally a no-no and with the attention it is getting, I expect they will get a C&D letter to take that off. Also does that mean it has a built in Torrent app? ;-)


The device could just be streaming the trailer or viewing a promotional image. I'm not sure about the legality. Fair use?


The pictures on this page look better: https://thejoojoo.com/sites/accessories


It actually looks pretty nice. It's a shame this didn't come to market in a cleaner way.


Wow, yes it's a shame. Possibly a very beautiful machine but there is no way I would give them my money.


Why not?


on the 5% chance that Arrington's right about their financial situation, they're practically out of cash. And now they have to hire a legal defense.

If the tablet's software isn't 100% open-source and hackable, I'd be worried on the long-term support from Fusion Garage.


In addition to that you don't really know what the market it going to look like 2 to 3 months from now when this ships. Apple, Asus, Dell and others could very well have a tablet in the market by then. So even if you were willing to chance losing your money entirely it wouldn't make sense to buy one of these.


A well justified fear of buying based on a demo.

http://www.carl-tracy.com/stories/44-computer-science/61--bi...


The only payment option seems to be PayPal. Does anyone know what kind of buyer protection PayPal provides in case the payers never receive the device?



Careful - it looks like no protection. Italics mine:

> 13.2 What are the eligibility requirements for PayPal Buyer Protection? You must meet all of these requirements: Use PayPal to purchase an eligible item Pay for the full amount of the item with one payment. Items purchased with multiple payments – like a deposit followed by a final payment – are not eligible Open a dispute within 45 days of the date you sent the payment – then follow the online dispute resolution process described below under Dispute Resolution Keep your PayPal account in good standing

That's from https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/popu...

From https://thejoojoo.com/store/order/new

> We are only accepting pre-orders in the U.S at the moment. Pre-orders will ship in 8 to 10 weeks.

So not within 45 days of paying seems like no protection.


It hasn't even actually come to market yet.


look again, https://thejoojoo.com/sites/accessories this side profile makes it look thick and it seems it has cheap looking plastic on the back


The events surrounding this device are unfortunate. It's pretty cool to me that a small company was able to build something that consumers seem to want but none of the big players have provided (yet). However, I'm still on the sideline till Apple releases their tablet. My main requirement is a modest level of synergy at the OS level because I don't live on web-apps. Certainly not everyone requires this but I do if I'm spending upwards of $500+. Had the joojoo launched at $200, I probably wouldn't be as picky about it.


For $200 you can't even buy a device that only does Twitter. I'm guessing the Apple tablet is going to be around $1K minimum, which will make this $500 (soon to be $400) tablet look like a bargain.


yeah, when TC announced $200 price for the crunchpad I thought it was a bit out of control considering AT&T covers about half the retail price of the iPhone.

i'm expecting to pay about 1-1.5k for the Apple tablet and i think i'll be fine with that if it delivers a great tablet experience, hopefully unlike Apple TV for the TV.


I found the website a bit lacking in terms of information. It feels hastily done. 1. I think most early adopters will be technical people, and so they need to put up more technical specs. They need more real photos and/or video of the device. They have no track record, so asking users to buy their device based on a few photoshop pics is asking for too much. 2. Although Paypal is the de facto payment method these days, having Paypal only payment makes it look like they haven't taken the time out to set up a credit card payment system. 3. Besides a feedback email, there's no customer service telephone line or contact of any sort. Seeing as they are selling a consumer product it would make their customers feel at ease about their purchase if they knew there was someone within easy reach is something goes wrong.

That being said, it looks like a nice device. I can't wait to see it in action.


Hmm, surprisingly a nice final product for such a messy inception. I'm definitely not going to be an early adopter of this, though. I still have more questions than answers about the product.


From the images it looks great; I wouldn't pre-order it though from them directly, only if it came via Amazon or if I can check it out in a store.

I would assume if you can pre-order via Amazon, they have "vetted" the product.


i updated the http://crunchpad.com page with a few extra reasons why I wouldn't buy:

#1. The only way to pre-order is with PayPal, and since PayPal Buyer Protection only lasts 45 days, and the JooJoo says "Pre-orders will ship in 8 to 10 weeks." that means if they "forget" to ship, you are out of luck.

#2: Every single image seems to be a rendering, not a single actual photo.

#3: They only sell to United States, yet they only use kilograms for weights, talk about amateur hour.


Yeah I found that strange about the kg. too. But as an FYI:

joojoo : 1.1kg, 2.43lb.

Kindle DX: 0.54kg, 1.2lb.

MacBook Air: 1.36kg, 3.0lb.


juju is on African word an it's normally associated with 'black' magic, hexes and stuff. It actually has a negative connotation in most African circles. So marketing it with the association to 'juju' in Africa would not be a good idea.


I think the website is Beautiful, at least.




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