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Archaeologists find 12,000-year-old pictograph at Gobeklitepe (hurriyetdailynews.com)
51 points by walterbell on July 19, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments


Göbekli Tepe is an amazing site that gets surprisingly little attention given its importance.

It is the oldest building in the world. The only older constructions that we know of is a small wall made from piled rock to protect a cave from the weather. Not only is it the oldest but it also is large : 1000 feet across and at least 50 feet deep with several layers covering at least two millennia. The site was only discovered 20 years ago and only about 20% have been excavated so far!

Cultivation first started in the Gobekli area. We know from DNA analysis that the wheat we use today is based on a wild variety of wheat that grew miles away from Gobekli.

It is located in the middle of the fertile crescent: the birthplace of civilization. It is located between the Tigris and Euphrates near their source which is the location of Eden in the bible. It also is located right next to Şanlıurfa which is said to be the birthplace of Abraham.

The size of the monuments also are impressive given that the people who built them were still hunter-harvesters living in small tribes without the knowledge of the wheel or pottery. It required a large workforce working over a large amount of time.

I am happy that the recent discovery seems to confirm my personal theory that Gobekli is a Dakhma [0], a place where bodies were left in the open for vulture to cleanse.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Silence


Gobekli Tepe was the high point of an ancient near east archeology class I took in college. Interestingly, it was discussed as part of a more recent theory that the "origins of civilizations" were really in the Anatolian highlands, a region distinct from the fertile crescent.

Our focal point of the site was the incredible stone monoliths. A massive endeavor requiring advanced technology, organization, and craftsmanship to quarry, transport, and carve the reliefs, all happening 5x as far back in history as the time between present day us and the Greeks. That's a lot of really advanced stuff, and obviously advanced social relations and intelligent people, happening a really, really long time ago. If you're the kind of person who likes to identify with your fellow man, regardless of nationality or race or whatever, it makes you a larger person knowing things about our very distant ancestors.


Yeah. Thank god it's not in Syria or Iraq, both of which also have a lot of amazing but now looted/destroyed ancient sites.


No shortage of irony in that sentence...


Inshallah!


> The only older constructions that we know of is a small wall made from piled rock to protect a cave from the weather.

Probably a reference to Theopetra cave?


Don't miss Harari's "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind". He talks quite a bit about Göbeklitepe, and explains some fascinating hypotheses about it and about its possible role in sparking the agricultural revolution.

A spoiler in a nutshell: conventional wisdom has it that a time of plenty allowed us to settle down and figure out the technology for feeding lots of settlers, and that in turn created a surplus that made it possible to sustain non-productive groups like religious leaders.

It might, however, have been the other way around: it may be that a shared fiction ---possibly a set of beliefs, what today we'd call a religion--- forced people to stay in a place ---maybe Göbeklitepe--- for long enough that new techniques for ensuring sustenance had to be developed. Anyway, do read that book. It's the best on the subject since Guns, Germs and Steel.


Why are archaeologists concluding that this was used for religious purposes? Why is religion always the central theme in those old findings?


Several contemporary settlements have been excavated: Nevalı Çori, Jerf el Ahmar, Mureybet. So we know what the houses, communal buildings and granaries looked like. Göbekli doesn't look anything like that. The location also reveals that it wasn't used to live, gather food or trade: It's built on top of a rocky hill without access to food or water. You don't extract 15 tons pillars, carve them and move them atop a hill to make things prettier.

The buildings themselves are the biggest proof. No roof, inconvenient and small entrance, holes to let the soul escape. The carvings found at Göbekli were also found on other sites which were associated with religion and death. One example would be the carving of vultures and headless bodies. Vultures which are associated with death and the ritual of excarnation: the floor of the buildings were made waterproof and sloped to allow the draining of bodily liquids. We know that people in that area would bury bodies without their head or even reopen the grave to remove the head. They also have been known to put plaster on skulls and keep the heads around.


How about a fortress?


My thought exactly. Might not want to stay there long, but as shelter from a raiding party, stocked with food and water, possibly with shelter for a flock, might be worthwhile.


"It's used for ritual/religious purposes" is an archaeologist's polite way of saying "we don't know what it's for, but it was probably central to the rulers of society".

The strict functional differentiation of society into subfields such as politics, education, science, law etc that characterises modernity, emerged only over the last couple of centuries. In the past they were really much more intermeshed. What we mean by religion today has relatively little relevant to ancient societies.


Weren't castes or other social segments strongly associated with certain roles actually fairly strongly established? E.g., "merchant / trader caste", "workman" (with numerous sub-classes: farmer, shephard, woodsman, miner, drover, labourer), artisan", "maid/servant", soldier", priest", ruler/leader"? Also often sage / teacher, and storyteller / musician.

Not the stratification of professional roles we see today (which is pretty staggering) still breaks down not too far from these categories. The US BLS EEO-1 Job Classification Guide's top level breaks down to the following major classifications, each with the indicated number of subclassifications:

    1	Exec/Senior Offs & Mgrs.
    33	First/Mid Offs & Mgrs.
    266	Professionals
    57	Technicians
    21	Sales Workers
    64	Administrative Support Workers
    132	Craft Workers
    120	Operatives
    34	Labors and Helpers
    91	Service Workers

I've looked further into how labour has been classified over the past 200 years or so. Particularly interesting is that the US Census Occupation Codes hit their high-water mark (in terms of number of classifications) not recently, but in 1920.

From Integrated Public use Microdata Series, classifications by year:

https://usa.ipums.org/usa/intro.shtml https://usa.ipums.org/usa-action/variables/OCC#codes_section

    1880: 227
    1920: 587
    1930: 283
    1940: 236
    1950: 269
    1960: 302
    1970: 444
    1980: 505
    1990: 513
    2000: 545
My favourite of all the occupations comes from the 1880 classification: #309, "Gentleman".

https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3832wx/occupat...


I'm not 100% sure what your question is, maybe you can clarify?

The evolution of society from the stone ages to modernity is characterised by increasing:

1. Functional differentiation. That means we specialise more in smaller and smaller fields. Even 100 years ago westerners would typically have grown some of their food themselves, and might have played a role in building their own homes.

2. Voluntarism. That means that we choose our field of work ourselves. In the past our social station made that decision for us. If our father was a farmer, we'd probably be a farmer too, if daddy was a slave we'd be slaves etc. Nowadays we progress through a sequence of choices (which university to go to, which field to study, what company to work for etc) and a sequence of exams and tests that seeks to quantify our ability for a chosen job.

    Weren't castes or other social segments strongly associated with certain roles actually fairly strongly established? 
Sure, and castes, medieval guilds, and the like were stations in society's progression towards modernity.


I'm addressing two points. First that differentiation existed in the past. Though with the dependence on both ag and human muscle power, the size of the nonfatm, nonlaboyr workforce was likely far smaller. But also that those roles had a strong persistence trend within families? -- if your father worked in a field (and it was generally only men who had careers), then you were likely to follow a similar path. How much of that was socially determined and how much based on psychological and other heritable traits I don't know. Gregory Clark's book, The Son Also Rises looks at family status trends in Europe, which is related but not the same though has similarities.

The classifications I posted above show that how specialized you see work depends much on how the classifications are defined. My sense is that periods of rapid change in employment structure lead to increases in classifications. E.g., the 1920 set. Which actually covered 1900 - 1920. See Vaclav Smil's recent articles on the innovation of the 1880s.


I didn't want to convey the impression that social differentiation isn't a binary, either/or process. Differentiation has been going on for millenia with some setbacks along the way.


Typo should be: ... differentiation is a binary ...





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