I did some consulting work with the NYPD and heard you guys also have some deployments with them and other large police forces. Those are nice non-clearance, but cool, jobs as well.
All big organizations do bad things in specific cases and have problems that need to be addressed - the NYPD is no different. For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live.
To give you an idea of how big the NYPD is as an organization, it's about a third larger than the active duty Army of Australia.
My couple times working with them showed most of the officers I encountered to be genuinely concerned about their city and a strong desire to do a good and fair job.
And yes of course there's lots of rallying together and supporting each other, even when that support often doesn't make sense to an outsider. But they really don't have anybody else they can rely on for their safety and support. And they take enormous flak and disrespect from the public on a daily basis for pretty much exercising any aspect of their function.
But as a large police force, the NYPD is basically a model for other large municiple forces and are heads and tails above deeply problematic large forces like the LAPD.
This conversation is totally beside any point, but stop-and-frisk has happened over 5 million times since 2002 (9 out of 10 leading to nothing), and a community of thousands were monitored based on their religion over a period of years, although it never generated a single lead.
>For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live.
For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live.
You're changing the subject. The point is, everyone who has lived here for a significant amount of time (and who doesn't have their head in the sand) knows, from direct experience, how profoundly dysfunctional (and disturbingly corrupt) the NYPD is, from the top down.
No you're right, the NYPD definitely has its share of problems. Like any police force it needs to be monitored and held accountable. I think both of those functions have not been sufficiently used on the force.
I disagree that they're a dysfunctional and corrupt organization from the top-down. They aren't free from blame, but they aren't some mob of uniformed gangsters either.
The basic issue is for years, the NYPD has aggressively fended off most efforts to make it more accountable and transparent (it's generally known that its "Internal Affairs" department is something of a joke, for example).
That may place it much further along the spectrum towards a "mob-like" organization than you would be comfortable admitting.
