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World's first fanless Core i5 mini-PC (fanlesstech.com)
52 points by darthgoogle on June 4, 2014 | hide | past | favorite | 14 comments



It's absurd that you have to work to find information on pricing here.

Specifications: http://www.zotac.com/news/press-releases/article/archive/201...

Pricing details: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/zotac-c-series-intel-amd-na...

"Pricing is as follows: CI540: $369.99/$479.99. CI520: $309.99/$409.99. CI320: $149.99/$259.99. CA320: $179.99/$289.99. Availability is set for August."


The $369.99 one is "bare-bones" whereas the $479.99 one includes 4GB DDR3L and a 64GB SSD.


>ZOTAC unveils the world's first fanless Core i5 mini-PC

It's not the world's first. for example, QuietPC will sell you an Intel i5 mini-PC (i.e., a NUC) transplanted into a larger all-aluminum finned case, which allows them to remove the one fan the Intel box has (a CPU fan):

http://www.quietpc.com/sys-ultranuc-pro-fanless.

This QuietPC box has the same i5 CPU as the base model 2013 Macbook Air, BTW.


Yes, I'm not sure why they are lying when a simple google search can reveal it's not the world's first: http://www.atlastsolutions.com/intel-nuc-i3-i5-with-4th-gene...

There is even a bigger but still mini fanless with i7:

http://www.atlastsolutions.com/fanless-thin-mini-itx-pc-core...


there's also the 'intense pc' from compulab: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/ipc2/


What qualifies the system as 'mini' anyway? I have a fanless i5 on a thin mini-itx; it's a sandy bridge i5, so it predates this by a couple of years. The case is not nuc-sized but it's pretty small and thin-itx only.


Important to note that it's a i5 Y processor. Not a regular desktop, or even a mobile processor.


Well then what is it? Please elaborate.


There's a concept called "max TDP" which essentially means how much heat the cooling system (fans, heat sinks, heat pipes and case) will need to dissipate in the worst realistic case.

For the CPU in the base model 2013 Macbook Air (the Core i5-4250U), max TDP is 15 watts.

For my 2011 Sandy Bridge base model Mac mini, max TDP is 35 watts. Most desktop gaming PCs have max TDPs over 100 watts if the heat generated by the discrete video card is included.

Max TDP for the CPU in this Zotac box is even lower than the 15 watts on the 2013 MBA. To achieve such a low max TDP, the clock needs to run slower, the chip needs to use lower voltages and other compromises need to be made.

My guess is that one place such a low TDP is desirable is in small tablets (or even smartphones??) where space considerations make cooling thing difficult even with a fan.

And of course it is desirable in fanless applications. Having just one fan, like an Intel NUC has or a Mac mini has, greatly increases the amount of heat the system can dissipate. The 2011 Mac mini server edition, for example, has a CPU with a max TDP of 45 watts and just one fan. (The Mac mini's all-aluminum case really helps here.)

But sometime even one fan is a bad idea: e.g., in boxes designed for dusty conditions, e.g., in a factory, or a remote location where it is difficult for someone to come by to clean out the insides of the system or to notice (by the noises it makes) when the fan is about to fail.

Note that fanless systems with SSDs like this Zotac box have no moving parts, and that really helps with reliable un-attended operation -- and with being quiet.

EDIT: "significantly less" changed to "even lower" to reflect the information in the reply.


The chip they are using has max TDP of 11.5W.

http://ark.intel.com/products/76611/Intel-Core-i5-4210Y-Proc...


Digital Signage would be a good example of this as well. Right now when I do a setup if it's one channel player feeding multiple panels the same content. We put the channel player which is really just a small form factor pc, in a data closet and use an Extron that sends video over CAT5. for instances where there is only 1 display or no data closet, it's an ultra small formfactor pc Velcro-ed to the back of the Panel. this would be ideal for that use case. Modern Digital Signage can be pretty taxing resource wise when your trying to display HD video on screen while having other dynamic content. Or at least that was the Way with Visix. Although Visix in general seemed to be pretty piggish when it came to resources.


I was wondering while reading the article. It says that it is a "fanless chassis", so I was asking myself, "That thing still needs the have a CPU fan right?"

I mean, I attempted to build an htpc with a fanless chassis, external PSU brick, SSD and just using the i5 with its integrated GPU.

I figured the only thing in there that generates heat will be the CPU so I "only" need a CPU fan. And even that one is pretty audible if I playback some 1080p files.

Of course, I just picked a regular i5. So I guess it is a desktop CPU with the higher TDP.

Are you saying that this device will actually come with no fan whatsoever and that this Y i5 is giving of so little heat that no active cooling is required?

I would be really interested in that. Looking forward to seeing some measurements of the thing in action. Especially how it fares with "summer temperatures". Would be pretty bad if it enters the dangerous temps during that time of year the room temperature is significantly higher than usual.


That's nice for a fanless i5. But a fanless i7 is already out there with some great specs, though it's pretty expensive.

http://www.tinygreenpc.com/microsvr.aspx

Power: 8W – 35W (Depend on system configuration and load)


These Haswell units look good, still pricy:

http://www.tinygreenpc.com/fit-pc/intense-pc2.aspx




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