heh but isn't it also the reverse as well? it's an insult laid at Java insinuating that it is not nearly as lean/simple/modern. That's the feeling these flamewar phrasings leave me with anyway.

I left Ruby for the JVM and I'll never look back despite all these articles implying Java is not "modern" because it lacks all the features that make scripting language devs "so much faster". Rock-solid, efficient, type-checked code on an efficient platform should be considered modern as well :D

that said, i love Clojure so it's not like i'm a hater -- i just like Java interoperability & don't see the coding paradigms as mutually exclusive. Can't we all just git along?