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6 - (but really #1) Eliminate financial freedom of the populous.

What do you think 2008 was about?



Is that not just giving them a reason to rebel?


Conspiracy theorists tend to miss obvious things like that.


Are you calling Noam Chomsky a conspiracy theorists?


No, I'm suggesting samstave is a conspiracy theorist. If Noam Chomsky has articulated the same view (and yes, I see what you did there), then I'd call him a conspiracy theorist too. On politics he's a complete bullshit artist - and I say that because he's a leader in his academic field. He would never accept a paper from a student or another linguist that was as fallacious as the sort of political essays he writes; he clearly understands the concept of academic rigor, but declines to practice it in his political activities. Total hypocrite.


Sorry, but that is nonsense. His political work is always quite academic, baring an incredible amount facts backed up by references. I think public records are the one source he cites most.

Can you point out as single mistruth in his works?

Can you point out where he has not been academic where he should have been?

He might very well produce the most academic political writings ever.

Seriously...


baring an incredible amount facts backed up by references

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Just because someone sticks in a heap of footnotes doesn't validate their claims. Climate-change denialists do this as a matter of course, but that doesn't make their work academically rigorous. Facts and data points taken out of context can be enormously misleading.

He might very well produce the most academic political writings ever.

LOL no. I read legal opinions and law review articles for fun. I have an intense dislike of Chomsky because I am the sort of person who reads all the footnotes and consults the cited reference works, and doing so on Chomsky's writings has led me in every instance to conclude that he habitually misrepresents his source material by selective quotation and omission of equally important countervailing facts.

When I first encountered Chomsky's writings I was tremendously excited, thinking that this was a guy who Tells It Like It Is. But the more I read and analyzed, the more disappointed I became. Not being American, I wasn't bothered by his challenges to conventional wisdom or the fact that he held a radical viewpoint. What bothered me was his near-constant manipulation of his readers.


Again, can you point out what you mean with an example?


He might not have, but I sure will.


Amazing. Chomsky is a legend. Who are you exactly? Ignoring his entire career to simply dismiss him as a conspiracy theorist. Ignorance and apathy like yours is why the US has fallen into the hole it's in now.


I'm not ignoring his entire career. He's one of the towering intellectuals of the 20th Century, and his work in linguistics has positively influenced a range of fields.

But his views on politics and world affairs are extremely eccentric, and have remained on the fringe for a reason.


>and have remained on the fringe for a reason.

Yea, for the same reason people who claimed the US was spying on everyone remained on the fringe.... until we had a bunch of evidence of it dropped on us.


Also, Chomsky's work is always backed by an incredible amount of evidence.

Edit: I can not over emphasize 'incredible amount of evidence.'


Don't confuse footnotes with evidence.


>>But his views on politics and world affairs are extremely eccentric, and have remained on the fringe for a reason.

They have remained on the fringe because most people would rather tell themselves that things are generally okay.


And what has ignorance of basic logical fallacies like "appeal to authority" caused?

Chomsky is a legendary linguist, a rightly deserved reputation, but that doesn't give him automatic credibility outside of linguistics.


In other words you have nothing of substance to say, either.


Sure. Like the Germans under Hitler rebelled against Poland and France, for example.


Agreed!


What are you talking about?

Hello admins, this would be a good time to click that hell-ban button next to samstave ;)


Noam Chomsky calls it class warfare.




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