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Shortcat - Keyboard productivity app for Mac OS X (shortcatapp.com)
277 points by superchink on June 7, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 100 comments



Hey all, I'm the developer behind Shortcat. Feel free to ask me questions or give me feedback! I'm on a short holiday at the moment so I might not be able to respond super quick.

If you do use the app and it crashes, please send a crash report and a short description what you were doing. It helps me a lot figuring out what the problem is. I post up known issues at https://trello.com/board/shortcat-bugs/51ac6a3711f6b34606001... (public Trello board) so people can vote and comment on issues.

I strongly suggest reading the README as I haven't baked in a tutorial to the app just yet.


Loving the product, have been using it for 20 minutes or so now. I can see myself using this super heavily. Thanks!

Bug report: http://i.imgur.com/wTwXpx2.png

(your "reply" link isn't highlighted, but all others are)


Great!

That's quite odd... WebViews are a hard beast to figure out cause web pages generally contain quite a few elements (sometimes 20k+), which makes it rather annoying to search and deal with. Chrome with the --force-accessibility-renderer flag has issues with element positions due to caching (I think). Safari has much better support but it's a tiny bit slower than Chrome. Right now, I'm focusing on other features. Hopefully browsers get better!


I'm using a mouse-less browsing plugin anyway, so don't need shortcat in the browser.

I've had it installed a while now and found that I almost never use it -- surprisingly.

One thing you could support to fix that: why can't I click on the menu bar of an application?

One thing that annoys me: whenever I cylce through open applications with cmd-tab, shortcat is there.


Does it have a "my mind has been poisoned by emacs" mode?


I haven't used it much yet, but it seems nice.

How do I pay you for it? :-)


I'll be adding licensing in the next month or two :)


What will it cost?



Great Idea, great execution, great name. I love it so far! Thanks a ton!


Yeah, despite my suggestion in my other comment. This is great stuff.


Looks like a great idea… any chance of Snow Leopard compatibility?


Not at this point, sorry :(


The issue is that people on 2007 macbooks could upgrade to Lion, but Lion is a tad slower then Snow Leopard and they need all the performance they can get. But thanks for the great software!


I love this! Would love it even more if it let me choose from the open tabs (the open coversations) in adium...;)


I believe this is an issue with Adium and the way it reports the accessibility details for the tabs. It seems to be the entire tab bar rather than just the tab itself (I use vertical tabs). I haven't found the time to send in a patch just yet as I'm sinking most of it into Shortcat. Hopefully an Adium dev ends up using Shortcat and fixes it!


Similar issue occurs in iterm: http://i.imgur.com/UBybMP4.png


Would you mind sharing which font that is? Looks a bit like some form of Courier. Is it a specific zsh theme (oh-my-zsh), or custom? :)


Maybe add some kind of window movements with a keyboard? To fully get rid of mice.



Good job, thank you so much. Public Trello board is a brilliant idea too :)


So how do you plan to make money with this?


The app is in Beta. I imagine he could sell it for a reasonable amount.


The app icon's a little creepy.


Heh, it is a bit. The reason is probably the uncanny valley effect[1].

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley


Who did your logo? Very cute :)


As someone who has tried to come up with a lot of product names...

"Shortcat -- killing mice, one at a time."

is just genius. Super-kudos to whoever came up with that.


I'll pass the kudos on :) I'm glad you like the name


ratpoison > shortcat


Love it.


+1


Oh wow, this is brilliant. My only problems with it are that it doesn't work with some applications, which is the perfect problem to have, because it means I can now identify applications that have accessibility issues that I didn't notice before.

Demand for accessible apps increases -> I become more productive and apps become more accessible for people that need them. Perfect!


That's the idea! I've had a few emails from a few devs of Mac apps and they're going to fix up some issues


Being able to define new shortcuts in real time is awesome, but half the battle. Helping me learn the shortcuts that are already there is the other half.

Can you guys add a feature that flashes on the screen the keyboard shortcut that already exist for an action performed via the mouse?

Even better if you can add a threshold for an action. For a trivial example, imagine just going to the edit menu and choosing cut/paste/copy. If I perform that action more often than once every 10 minutes, shortcat would flash a fairly large overlay on my screen showing me that shortcut. You could even make this progressive. First teach me any shortcuts for any action performed every 5 minutes for a particular application. Once I learn all those actions, expand the threshold one minute at a time until I learn a new action. Once I consistently perform those actions within the threshold via the keyboard, further increase the threshold until I learn all the commands.

How much do you plan on charging?


To help with the other half (of learning the existing shortcuts) you can learn them at https://www.shortcutfoo.com

Shortcat seems like a great complement to shortcutFoo! Very cool idea.

(disclaimer: I created shortcutFoo)


Cool. However, what I really want is an app that trains me while I'm doing my own work. Going to a specific site to practice on that site is great and all but it doesn't help me remember a shortcut nearly as much as learning that shortcut while working on my own work. Learning on my own work is far more likely to be retained, because my brain can link the recently learned shortcut with something which has meaning to me and is likely to be far more top of mind than a random lesson example.


I must've missed the charging part.

Right now, I've implemented maybe 10% of the features I want to add. I'll be adding licensing soon, but given that most people probably wouldn't pay for features that's not there, I'm probably going to start at $12, then bump it whenever I ship a major feature. Early adopters will end up saving a bit.

The licensing will be cheaper when it's in beta too.


$12? Totally worth it.

Might I suggest checking out the Van Westerndorp approach to pricing a product intelligently to make you the most revenue?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Westendorp's_Price_Sensitiv...


Ergonis' KeyCue is an app that might also help with learning Mac app keyboard shortcuts. http://www.ergonis.com/products/keycue


I actually had this idea before I came up with Shortcat. The problem was that there was no reliable way of linking an action to its keyboard shortcut without installing hooks into an application and tracing all the method calls and seeing which ones match up.

If you limited it to clicking the menus in the top where the shortcuts are defined, it's more doable but I personally didn't see much merit in that since I'm terrible at memorising keyboard shortcuts anyway.. :)


Eve ( http://www.hotkey-eve.com/ ) will recommend shortcuts when you don't use them.


Amazing. This has instantly become a must-have utility for me after trying it out for just a few minutes. Easily the best new Mac utility I've seen in a very long time.

I noticed the mention of the "regions" feature in the README, so maybe you already have plans for solving this, but one thing I'd love would be to have a way to select something based in part on its proximity to something else. For example, imagine I want to click on the comments link for a particular story on the HN front page. It'd be more intuitive to me to type, say, "Shortcat#comments" to pick the item that matches "comments" nearest the item that matches "Shortcat", than to type "comments" and hit Control to select the correct link.


Thanks!

Regions needs a bit more thought, but it'll let you narrow down the search space easier when you're using a complex app like Xcode with a billion different scrollviews.

That's actually a pretty cool idea! I had ideas for sorting by depth in the element tree to current active or moused over element, but a proximity-based search would be interesting. What operator would you think is meaningful? I haven't got plans for '#' just yet.


I'm not sure what the best operator would be for my suggestion, but after thinking about it '/' would work well since it calls to mind the idea of navigating a hierarchy. 'Shortcat/comments' feels nice to me. It can also be typed without using shift on a US keyboard, which is convenient.


I'll be adding '/' down the track for a proper hierarchy, but things that are close to each other aren't guaranteed to be in a sane hierarchy. What about '@'? "comments@shortcat" kinda flips it around first, which could work as you might decide to narrow down the query when you see too many results. A possible problem is that the second part of the query also has too many results.


That sounds like a good approach!


I can see this being an OS X power-user/accessibility feature in the next major release. Enjoy your acquisition and/or idea being brazenly appropriated.


I'm seeing a CloudFlare error:

DNS Points to Prohibited IP You've requested a page on a website (shortcatapp.com) that is on the CloudFlare network. Unfortunately, it is resolving to an IP address that is creating a conflict within CloudFlare's system. If you are the owner of this website, you should login to CloudFlare and change the DNS A records for shortcatapp.com to resolve to a different IP address.

Timestamp: Fri, 07-Jun-13 22:40:20 GMT

Requested URL: shortcatapp.com/0

Error reference number: 1000

Server ID: FL_29F5

Process ID: PID_1370644820.240-1-3281482

Edited to remove my personal info.


It seems to be fine here... anyone else having the problem? The /0 at the end of shortcatapp.com looks a bit odd...


I had the same problem just now, when I clicked the download link. I went back and clicked it again and it worked fine the second time.


I feel like that was added by cloudflare... just tried at home, no problems.


You've nailed it here, outstanding job.

Any chance of defining a custom selection key other than ctrl? On my Macbook air, holding the control key with my pinky or thumb while I type is really awkward. Shift would seem more natural, as the pinky finger is already used to using this as a modifier, no?


Thanks!

Hmm, probably. I used to use Shift but the problem was there are languages where they need to use Shift to be able to type more letters (Thai for example), so it wouldn't let them type other languages. I could probably add it as an option though, but you wouldn't be able use capital letters, naturally heh


while you're waiting, you can remap the caps lock key to ctrl (type cmd-space, then "caps lock" and open the Keyboard preferences item that comes up).


Awesome, goes great with vimium for chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vimium/dbepggeogba...


I'll be the one to say it. Awesome. Anything like this for Linux or Windows?


Any way this can be "downgraded" for Snow Leopard? I hate the iOSification Lion and Mountain Lion have gone through. I like my vintage Expose with the Dashboard disabled.


A very good compliment to Quicksilver indeed. This will be invaluable when I'm in browser tab hell and need to find one specifically.

A menu bar icon would be appreciated!


The menu bar icon is coming back in the next version (v0.4.3) :)


Very cool!

Small suggestion: In the case of selecting an item that's not the topmost, it would be nice if it was a one-step process rather than two (you need to first highlight with ctrl+letter, then activate with Enter).

Maybe a repeated press of ctrl+letter could actually activate the selection. Or maybe pressing and holding ctrl+letter for a short while.


The reason why I'm currently making users explicitly use Enter/Return to click is because this allows them to use modifiers while clicking, so Ctrl+Enter for right click, Cmd+Enter on a link to open it in a new tab, etc. However, I think Ctrl+letter might be interesting, but might be confusing on multi-letter shortcuts.


Great idea and product. I will gladly pay for it. One of the biggest issues I had when transitioning from pc to mac was the lack of meaningful shortcuts. This would have eased the pain greatly!

I could not figure out how to click an element when using . to highlight all elements.


I subscribed to your newsletter (life is too short for beta software, but once it hits 1.0 I'm all over it!) and you're on Elizabeth Street!

I'm based out of Canberra at the moment, but it's great to see local guys pop up on HN occasionally.


Very nice. On your readme page you mention that with sublime text nothing works. I presume the onus will be on Sublime text developers to make their tabs available to the assit API?

EDIT: On further inspection of README this is somewhat covered. /sleepy


Works with TextMate 2 and 1's file browser, not tabs


So if I type in '.' and see the control I want to specify listed as 'C', how do I tell Shortcat to activate 'C'? I tried obviously typing in ".C" or just "C" but neither work.

/missed something obvious


Ctrl + C


Thank you!


Looks cool, I'll have to test it out. Should reduce the amount of tab/shift+tab I have to do right now.

That said, the video screencast doesn't show up in firefox sans flash player. Not a huge deal but thought you might want to know.


I must be doing something wrong but I can't see how to select an element or button by the letter over it's highlight. Ctrl+Letter doesn't do anything for me. From the README, that seemed to be the way to do it?


If there are multiple highlighted elements on screen, Ctrl-Letter lets you select which element is highlighted green. The green element can then be activated/selected with Enter.

As others already suggested, the possibility of directly activating a specific element by shortcut would be great. Awesome app nonetheless!


This is cool. Nice name.

I've already been doing something like this in browsers for some time:

Cmd+F

Type

Enter/Shift+Enter to go next/prev result (or Cmd+G/Cmd+Shift+G)

When it highlights the link you want to press: Esc, Enter

Of course the beauty of this app is that it works outside the browser too.


Love it. This is a great app! One thing I'm missing though - settings for colors. I have color vision deficiency and it's very hard for me to see which element is selected.


An integration with [alfredapp](http://alfredapp.com) would be so awesome! Hope you can get in touch with them!


The reviews for this are one of the more enticing reasons of late for me to switch off of linux. I'm really excited about this. great stuff!


Made me think of an App I wrote a while ago with the opposite objective, never touch the keyboard to launch an app. (SapiensApp.com).


Is there something like this for Linux?


How are you able to query the accessiblity api so fast? In my experience, it's awfully slow.


It's what exactly what I've been wishing for years. Does it work in web browsers ?


It works in Safari pretty well and Chrome if you run it with a certain flag (see README). I'm not sure about Firefox at this point though.


Doesn't work with Firefox. Please find some solution


Works in Firefox if you (force) enable the accessibility on via about:config. Change the value to -1


As someone who tries to avoid mice for RSI-related reasons, this looks amazing. Thank you.


It's really a nice tool to use with. It's as awesome as Alfred !!


Excellent tool! A good complement for QuickSilver.

Bonus: the cat is absolutely cute :)


I am in love with the idea of this tool. Can't wait to try it.


Which came first? The name or the product? Both are outstanding.


Any chance of this being made/ported for Windows platform?


Looks really cool, but doesn't work with Postbox.


This app relies on applications implementing the Accessibility API properly. I'm hoping that there'll be enough Shortcat users to pressure application developers into making their apps more accessible so people who actually need to use accessibility tools (due to being visually impaired can) use their apps.

I've found that most mail clients (apart from Mail.app, which I don't like) have pretty terrible Accessibility support, due to heavy emphasis on custom views. It's still possible to add Accessibility support on custom views though, but visually-impaired users tends to be a pretty small niché unfortunately...


In addition to its other merits, apps like this are a great way to encourage developers implement Accessibility support, which is really not that burdensome at all.

If it gets more app developers to support it (even if it's because their users want to use power tools like this), then indirectly, much good will be done for the users who need Accessibility support for its intended purpose. Definitely a win all around.


Nice. It looks like a system-wide EasyMotion.


I think it awesome product with brilliant.


It's like Ctrl + F meets Vimium.


You can setup similar functionality in vimium - Just set " Use the link's name and numbers for link hint filtering" in vimium's advanced options. It's default way to move around vimperator as well.


Who did the cute little cat design?


ace-jump-mode.el for OSX. Nice.


Brilliant.


this is fantastic!


command+shift+{

command+shift+}

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