He said that pining/whining is not even really a choice because it won't work and he's right in my opinion. It would be a false dilemma if he said that "you cannot work towards a better system and have a good career". He did not say that though. Instead he gave a specific example of something that wouldn't change the system and also wouldn't be good for anyone's career.
You actually agree with him because then he says that in order to have a good career AND change the system, just be a confident, competent female engineer (and remember to not complain and point fingers even if you're right).
He says "You have a choice." And lists two possibilities, one of which is dumb, and the other of which he wants you to pick. There are more than two possibilities, but he ignores those. That is a false dilemma.
And no, he and I don't agree. I think it is fine to be a confident, competent engineer. But I think one should then use that power to create a fairer world. The notion that to get respect you can't point out problems with the existing system is a sign that the system is sick.
"The notion that to get respect you can't point out problems with the existing system is a sign that the system is sick."
"pointing out problems" is vastly different from what this woman did. Saying something like "Put down the crack pipes" is not "pointing out problems". Do you agree?
Saying things like "Put down the crack pipes" will not work. Do you agree with that too?
If you agree with both of those things, I think we're all on the same page here.
Because I'm not really interested in doing Hacker News Defends Patriarchy Vol MCCXVI right now, especially with some random anonymous argumentative dude. "Someone is wrong on the internet" is a game I find less and less fun as I get older, in that it's generally a negative-sum game.
Was your original comment made in the spirit of "having fun"? I was pretty sure you came here with a disagreement in mind.
How did a discussion about your mis-identification of an informal fallacy suddenly becomes "Hacker News Defends Patriarchy"? This whole ridiculous argument is really pretty simple and it has nothing to do with gender. It has to do with Honey vs Vinegar and you think that people can complain their way to success! lol
Alright, sorry you were wrong. You should be happy though, maybe next time you decide to start a game of "Someone is wrong on the internet" you'll come better equipped to play :)
If you'd like to discuss the fallacy, go ahead. Take a look at his text, take a look at the definition of the fallacy, and explain how in your view it doesn't meet the definition. I'm still not interested in a broader discussion with you.
You actually agree with him because then he says that in order to have a good career AND change the system, just be a confident, competent female engineer (and remember to not complain and point fingers even if you're right).