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I run an internship program placing Canadian interns in the valley, and have interviewed plenty of students from US schools. There's some amazing students coming out of Waterloo and UBC in particular. Waterloo grads are as competent and hungry as grads from MIT or Stanford. I've been amazed with them.


You should have spoken to them pre-2001 then. Waterloo dumbed down the first two years to be "more industry focused".[1]

Waterloo has been founding great companies for decades - the Watcom compiler came out of there in the 80's and 90's.

1. A quote from a friend who did his PhD there during the period.


I'm sorry, but are you claiming that the education has been dumbed down post-2001? As a computer science student that witnessed the shift in education, I can assure you that the system has only increased the level of breadth and depth (and therefore academic difficulty) since the pre-2001 period.

Before 2001, Waterloo Computer Science offered Java courses and taught "more industry focused" material. Ever since, with the aid of a certain PhD here, the curriculum teaches functional programming (via Racket) from the start and carries its focus over the entirety of first year.

Following this, the second year courses are standard at any university and act as precursors to the third year Operating Systems and Algorithms courses, the most difficult required CS courses offered here.


I don't buy that. MIT and Stanford are the undisputed best in the world. Waterloo would be closer to "University of Texas-Austin" which is still excellent.


I don't buy that MIT and Stanford are undisputed "best" either. But they're damn good. And definitely top tier ... my point is that Waterloo and UBC are in the same ball park as the top ones.


My comment of "not buying it" was that there was no evidence (other than your opinion) to support your claim. Honestly, I would like to hear more about how you came to that conclusion.

I know the rankings are only one way to estimate (and would like to hear a better way :)

Is there a list that puts Waterloo or UBC better than Stanford or MIT? ANY LIST BY ANY MAGAZINE?

http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-ran...

University of Toronto (15th) UBC(27) Vs MIT (1) and Stanford (2)


What about ACM competition?

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/

Year 2000: UBC tied with Stanford (difference in time, not by much)

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2000/Standing.htm

Year 2002: UBC and SFU tied with Stanford (won on time)

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2002/standings.htm

Year 2003: top 5, 3 from UBC, 2 from Stanford

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2003/results2003.htm

Year 2004: top 4, all UBC and SFU

Year 2005: top 4, 2 UBCs (one winner), 1 SFU, 1 Stanford

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2005/Results.htm

Year 2006: UBC rank 1st and 2nd, followed by Stanford 3rd + 4th

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2006/results.htm

Year 2007: Top 2, UBC, Stanford 3rd, SFU 4th.

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2007.htm

Year 2008: UBC went down to 4th and 5th

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2008.htm

Year 2009: UBC 1st, followed by 2 Stanford teams

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2009.htm

Year 2010: UBC 4th, tied on # of solutions, diff on time

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2010.htm

Year 2011: UBC 2nd, Stanford 1st

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2011_Pacific_Northwes...

Year 2012: Stanford 1st, 2nd, UBC 3rd

http://www.acmicpc-pacnw.org/Standings/2012/

So, is UBC good enough to hang around with the big boys? (consistently)




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