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Doing a DDoS attack in the cause (however questionable the commitment to that cause is let's put it to one side for now) of Internet freedom is a ridiculous strategy. The more this sort of thing becomes inevitable the more TPTB will clamp down on such things and eventually we'll find ourselves on an Internet with far fewer freedoms and it'll all be far more locked down.

Whether you like it or not society tends to react like high-school - when enough people abuse a privilege eventually that privilege gets taken away. You can argue that a free Internet is a right (as some do) but you won't win that argument in the public sphere if that right is used to stop everyone else from getting done what they want to do online.




I suspect the people DDoSing spamhaus aren't doing it for internet freedom.


It wouldn't matter anyway. DDoS is not "freedom of speech".


Or perhaps they are?

We really need places like cyberbunker to keep internet free and open.

The day the the last piece of w4r3z, pr0n and other 1337 stuff is taken away from the internet the infrastructure would have to be in place to pretty much remove anything you want at will.

I wonder what will be next thing to get removed after that?

"First they came..."


Cyberbunker hosts spammers. They're free to make that choice. Spamhaus runs an IP blacklist of known spammers and put Cyberbunker on that list. They're free to make that choice. Companies who don't like spammers subscribe to the blacklist and use it to block offenders. They are free to make that choice.

I don't see where the internet is becoming less free and/or open.


I'm all for internet freedom, and I have no objection to whatever information cyberbunker may be hosting. I agree that they provide a valuable service.

I dread the sterile showroom that some wish the internet to become. But at the same time, there's a difference between objectionable content being available on the internet to those looking for it, and people flooding communication channels with unsolicited and possibly objectionable content, in the hope of making a quick buck.

I support pull-freedom, not push-freedom. The recipient should be the one deciding what they do and don't want to read/be exposed to.

Would you support someone DDoSing the maintainers of the EasyList for AdBlockPlus because their ad-serving domain was added to it?

If SpamHaus had the power to remove CyberBunker from the internet, this would be a different story, and I'd support CyberBunker. But SpamHaus only says "There's lots of spam originating from there". Which is a fact. I don't think they should be punished for stating the truth. A list of suspected spammers has just as much of a place on the free internet as the w4r3z and pr0n we all love so much.


I don't think anyone is DDoSing cyberbunker, so why are you concerned about them?


Spamhaus adding their IP address to a list is not 'removing' them from the internet. And what about Spamhaus' freedom to create whatever lists THEY want?




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