Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

> in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas

No one with an Israeli passport is allowed to visit Area A of the West Bank, regardless of their ethnicity.



Yeah. And?

One case is an assertion of sovereignty (whether we agree or not), the other case is apartheid.


I'm not sure what you mean. I'm saying that the reason that Arabs with Israeli passports are not allowed to enter certain areas of the West Bank is because no one with an Israeli passport is allowed to enter those areas.


What I pointed out is that there are areas within Israel where Arabs with an Israeli passport cannot enter.

Areas outside of Israeli control where Israelis are not allowed to go is irrelevant when discussing about whether Israel is an apartheid state or not.


> What I pointed out is that there are areas within Israel where Arabs with an Israeli passport cannot enter.

Actually you said

> in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas

But in any case, since you also said "multiple sources online" perhaps you can link one so we're talking about something concrete and not just vague insinuations.


By occupied areas I did not mean Area A of the West Bank, I meant settlements considered "Israel".

It is trivial to find more sources than the one I already mentioned, there is a very very long wikipedia article as a starting point. I'm afraid you do not care about seeing what is going on, you care about dismissing opposing opinions.


Well, I have found some sources and they say that Arabs with Israeli citizenship can live in Israeli settlements in the West Bank:

https://old.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/v8s88z/ara...

https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-Israeli-Arabs-live-in-Israel...


Your sources are a reddit and a quora post ? Really ?

You just lost all credibility for any of your arguments.

Here, I found sources claiming that zombies can exist:

https://www.reddit.com/r/zombies/comments/x4yewj/are_zombies...

https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-zombie-virus-and-where-is-it...


You haven't linked your sources on the matter at all ...


I mentioned a documentary by a reputable journalist, and pointed you to the relevant wikipedia article which has 386 citations.

Sounds like you have more than enough to get started.

Or maybe stay with reddit and quora. Up to you.


You did not link to a Wikipedia article. Unfortunately I do not have the resources to watch Louis Theroux's documentary, which I'm sure is full of his characteristic dry takes.


[flagged]


Please don't break HN's rules like this, no matter how right you are or feel you are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


[flagged]


Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Which guideline did I violate? I genuinely don't know.


"I'm not inclined to continue to try to drag it out of you." and "I don't welcome your assumptions about [me]" are personally abrasive. The site guidelines don't explicitly say "please don't be personally abrasive" but they cover that kind of thing with more general statements like "Be kind", "Edit out swipes", and so on.

Of course the GP post was outright aggressive, not just abrasive, and that is considerably worse. But we need users to stick to the guidelines regardless of what other commenters do. Not insisting on that just leads to a downward spiral, especially since it's human nature to underestimate the provocation in one's own comments.


Oh Dan, come on, really?! OP has been making all sorts of claims and failed to justify them with any more than "just look it up", and also making all sorts of assumptions about me. Saying what I said was about the most kind I could be in response. I guess I could just simply not contribute, as I had planned, but tomhow did explicitly ask me to here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44720318


Continue dragging it out of me ? You said that you are too busy to watch a documentary which portrays how the actual situation is there and the mentality of the settlers. I guess you're too busy arguing on hackernews.

Okay then, read a few sentences of the wikipedia article. Or should I spoonfeed them to you ? Okay, sure:

   In a 2007 report, UN Special Rapporteur on Palestine John Dugard said, "elements of the Israeli occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law"    


   On 21 March 2022, Michael Lynk, the UN's Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, submitted a report[180] to the UN Human Rights Council stating that Israel's control over the West Bank and Gaza Strip amounts to apartheid, an "institutionalised regime of systematic racial oppression and discrimination."   


   In 2020, the Israeli human rights organization Yesh Din said that Israeli treatment of the West Bank's Palestinian population meets the definition of apartheid under both Article 7 of the 2002 Rome Statute

   On 1 February 2022, Amnesty International published a report, Israel's Apartheid Against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime Against Humanity,[203] which stated that Israeli practices in Israel and the occupied territories amount to apartheid
Want more ? Read the damn article and the sources yourself. And not random reddit or quora posts. I'm done here.


Your proof of apartheid was supposedly "in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas". That's the claim that I'm challenging. Sorry if you thought I was discussing something else. If so then I can understand why you'd be confused.


You are challenging, yet you are refusing to read the sources of the wikipedia article, or watch the documentary.

You are challenged, not challenging anything.


OK, as you prefer. Thanks for persevering anyhow.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: