Hamas recruits among civilians. Radicalized civilians. And Israel has just radicalized even more Palestinians, creating even better recruiting ground for Hamas.
Israel has supported Hamas because it's a very convenient enemy for them. Hamas wants to wipe Israel from the map, and to Israel, that means a powerful Hamas controlling Palestine justifies their wiping Palestine off the map.
During the 1980s, when the PLO was the dominant force in Palestine and wanted a two-state solution, Israel supported the much less influential Hamas in order to undermine PLO's position. And I think in 2017, Israel asked Qatar to support Hamas.
Note that the Netanyahu government only goes after the people on the ground, not the leadership abroad. And they clearly have no problem killing and radicalizing more Palestinian civilians.
> During the 1980s, when the PLO was the dominant force in Palestine and wanted a two-state solution, Israel supported the much less influential Hamas in order to undermine PLO's position. And I think in 2017, Israel asked Qatar to support Hamas
You have got that the other way around. Hamas was founded in 1987 during the Intifada, before the PLO started supporting a two state solution in 1988. The reason the PLO made that shift was that it was in exile and a new leadership in Palestine was formed (including Hamas), and they were afraid they will lose relevancy.
In 1987 and going forward Hamas fought Israel, so claiming Israel supported it is paradoxical.
Qatari money was transferred to Hamas prior to any Israeli involvement as early as 2007, sometimes in cash through the tunnels.
In 2017 the Palestinian Authority refused to transfer taxes collected to the Hamas Gaza government or pay Israel for Gaza's electricity, leading to an economical downturn in Gaza.
Because of the pending humanitarian crisis that would probably end in starvation due to Gaza less than stellar economy, whose blame would be put on Israel as is accustomed, Qatar was used as a lesser evil solution. It allowed Israel not to directly fund the Hamas government, which except for its military wing, is also its schools, hospitals, municipal and all other civilians functions.
The narrative you are repeating also repeats itself as Israel created Hezbollah or even as far as the US created ISIS, 9/11 was an inside job etc
The source of this narrative in my opinion is the old racist imperialist narrative where the so-called natives are merely children incapable of agency. Here in the post colonialist sense, if there is any evil actor around, its actions or mere existence must quickly be attributed to the West/Israel, or else cognitive dissonance abounds
Israel under scharon has given gaza back including the settlements and got for that 700 civilians who followed the hamas members to murder, rape and kill children on the 7th October. Fuck all those fanatics ..
Found it! For reference, I originally heard this in the Some More News episodes about “Uncomplicating the complicated situation in the West Bank”, but I can’t find those episodes at the moment.
> As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.
This is exactly what's happening and I wish people would say it more often. Plenty of reporting showed the IDF had indication oct 7 attacks were about to happen and warnings were ignored.
“Head of the dragon” what’s that supposed to mean? Reminds me of language used by Israel citizens and government to describe the regime without pointing to hard facts. As far as I can see there’s many aggressors in that area. Israel is a main one.
You’re going to be brow beaten and down voted but you’re speaking the truth.
What other country is attacking or has attacked its neighbors as Israel has? What other country has been executing a live-streamed genocide that you can see the outcomes of on Instagram?
Just yesterday I saw a video of a mother comforting her infant whose leg was blown off by Israeli bombs. And yet these religious fanatics are the ones we call our “allies”.
Iraq invaded Iran - that wasn't a war of Iranian aggression. Or is your point just that Saddam Hussein's Iraq was just as bad as Israel, so Israel is OK somehow?
No, my question was how many countries has Israel attacked in the last year. I know this might be outside your wheelhouse as a former CTO for some random porn company but I have faith you can use google
Youre just picking a random rung on the ladder and calling it the start. Where did your team get it from? Why was it not OK that two groups share the land given they both had occupied at a previous point in history?
Israel is clearly capable of targeted attacks, like hitting one bedroom in a large apartment building in Iran. Yet they continue to use block sized bombs in Gaza.
They released footage of Hamas leaders being assassinated by drones to prove that Hamas really does exist. But they gotta bomb those hospitals to be extra sure.
Where is Hamas? How come I see Ukraine vs Russia combat footage every single day but only dead children out of Palestine? Where’s the IDF/Hamas combat footage? It’s because the IDF is just bombing kids.
There is no Hamas and if there is there’s barely any
Let's rephrase it then: Why aren't journalists allowed to corroborate facts on the ground and even are murdered by Israel on a regular basis, while Israel is allowed to genocide an entire population away?
comments like this add negative value to the discussion. it shows complete refusal to engage on a professional level. If you can't articulate your thoughts or disagree with someone without taunting them, why do you comment at all?
lol. Embeds among civilians? Like the IDF does, with military underground bases? Disable Hamas via genocide? By destroying every hospital in Gaza? By raping Palestinian women & girls? By looting their homes? By bombing and starving them?
Exactly who is the Dragon here? You think Israel’s bloodlust is done with Iran? They want much more Territory across the Middle East. They are occupying parts of Cypress right now, And have craving for parts of Egypt and more.
Territory?! What the hell are you talking about?! They offered to retain a tiny portion of territory some decades ago, and that was rejected. You can say whatever you want, but this is not about land. That is ignorance. Sorry.
Israel has already this year claimed a chunk of Syria, and has destroyed over 100,000 (!!!) homes in Lebanon with the clear intention of taking that land too.
Multiple Israeli ministers have publicly made the claim. But no, for now they are only saying that they will stay there for as long as they want. I'm sure destroying all those homes has nothing to do with it either...
Ok. I just misunderstood several comments, which say it is about gaining territory. And I see no evidence to support that. There are military operations, occupations, but nothing really solid that show intention of taking territory for later civilian use, or anex to Israel. Those are very different things. E.g. Russia is invading with a clear goal of annexing land; but Israel not ao much.
I am not saying is good or bad, just that the goal seems different here.
Why not mention the events of the previous half century? Just admit you were born yesterday and go study history so we can at least have an honest conversation.
my interpretation is: disable Hamas (who embeds amongst civilians), then go after Iran (the true head of the dragon).