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From the memo:

> We previously ended representation goals for women and ethnic minorities. Having goals can create the impression that decisions are being made based on race or gender. While this has never been our practice, we want to eliminate any impression of it.

I don't know how they treated those goals, but: you can imagine a large company. The CEO says "we need to reach X goal in Y. Your executive bonus will take into consideration how close you got to X." In a world like that, many (most/all) executives will do whatever they can to get to those goals -- even if it goes against other official (or even legal) policies.

And that certainly would explain a lot of the behavior I saw working at a large company during DEI peak. (Not to say that is any kind of proof of anything untoward).




As a mid-level manager in a prominent tech company, my VP (not current) explicitly asked me if there were any women or minorities for whom we could accelerate promotion. Not that were ready, but may be ready soon and we'll take the benefit of the doubt. I know that lots of women, minorities, and LGBTQ employees benefitted from that, but white male employees learned there wasn't budget for them.

Execs given a goal will do what it takes to meet the goal.


Confirming Google did this.


Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta, Apple, Twitter, Netflix all did this. As far as I know, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and Google still do this. For hiring and promotion both.


At big tech company I used to work for ($3T) they did this in 2017, and my manager did not give a single offer to a man in years even when everyone said hire, and the next 14 of 14 offers were to women, several minorities, despite many having barely any “hire” votes.


Must be Microsoft, I don’t think Apple and Nvidia went hard on this


Nvidia has the polar opposite problem on their hands, they're one of the most Asian-overrepresented companies in America. 56% of employees are of Asian descent, in a country where Asians make up 6% of the population. Second largest market cap in the world. And yet, not a peep about it from the social justice folk, funny how that works.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1369578/nvidia-share-of-...


If you ever seen an inside of a CS auditorium at any prestigious university that wouldn’t be so surprising to you


"problem". Looking at the $NVDA chart is not showing any problems to me


Pretty sure every big tech company is Asian-overrepresented. Apparently almost 75% of tech employees in Silicon Valley are immigrants, no doubt the vast majority are Asian (East Asian and Indian).

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/17/h-1b-foreign-citizens...


Apple went hard on it, especially culturally, and it led to the type of censorship and control you see on the iPhone. Like apps being required to match Apple’s moderation rules, or the gun emoji being removed, or whatever. You can’t be an Apple employee that isn’t aligned to their way. You’ll be fired.


And then everyone fell in line with the gun emoji. And then everyone threw a fit when X changed it back to a real gun emoji.

Honestly, I’ve just stayed working for inland US companies that are far away from FAANG because I just knew I’d have an honest conversation with the wrong person and get fired. Where I work now I can admit I hold a (very minor) office as a Republican without anyone batting an eye, even with people I know 100% vote Democrat.


I don’t think it’s as bad as you imagine in west coast faang. I’ve worked at a few of them. When we do talk about politics (offline, in small groups), discussions are nuanced and people have their own opinions. If you’re able to speak respectfully, and not attack people who disagree with you or have lifestyles different from what you’d choose, you would do fine.

If you have an habit of announcing controversial and extreme opinions in widely-subscribed comms channels, you would not do so well.


It was.


"We're not discriminating or putting majority candidates at a disadvantage... but for candidates with a diverse background we have some leeway to exceed headcount limits."

Or, for a court-documented example of exactly what you're describing happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16501663


Dropbox instituted this policy in 2019. We called it "opportunistic hiring". Not sure if it's still in force, as I've since left.


"We cant hire white males at the moment, but everyone else we can make an exception"

How is that not discriminating?




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