I know I didn't go to the right places but all the pizza I had in NYC was either bad, or bad and expensive. So while there is good pizza there, there's also a ton of bad pizza where I would have rather had <chain pizza> because at least I know what I was gettting.
Now the bagels on the other hand...do bad bagels even exist there?
This is the reality. A lot of NYC style pizzerias have opened in Cincinnati lately. They are spot on but it is not good pizza. The dough was designed to be eaten while walking the streets. Therein lies the root of all the compromises to quality. All the pizzaiolos are paranoid that you are going to try to eat it luke warm and practically beg you to heat it up before eating. Some include instructions sheets with every pizza. Ugh.
Grandmas are actually decent if they manage to ferment the dough long enough. I have bit into my share of 24hr dough. Not recommended.
Now the bagels on the other hand...do bad bagels even exist there?