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"someone in their 50's or 60's that has pre-existing conditions" should not be naive enough to believe your nonsense about seeing doctors right away. No matter what you need, it's always a referral to a specialist, and they are generally booking out months in advance. One or two months is a good wait time here.

Also "grandma" is on Medicare, if not completely then as the primary payer (supplement) or at least benefiting from the negotiating/regulations (medicare advantage).

(and just for perspective here, I'm actually not a big proponent of single payer as the main reform. the problem is that discussing any type of reform has been absolutely paralyzed by nonsense talking points to entrench the status quo)




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