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Kudos to Magnus for taking the high ground in such a low way :)

Western dress codes are obnoxious. People shouldn't be evaluated for how they look or what they wear, at least in a competitive event like this one, but rather on how they play. He's absolutely right to be principled about this.

At the same time, how he did it has such a touch of rebellious style.



It would probably be cooler seeing people dressed in the pride of their home cultures while competing.

Though I’m sure the old guard would say some dress is too distracting.


Yes, he should have put on a bunad.


> bunad

Traditional Norwegian dress for women and men.

https://thespurtrail.com/the-bunad-norways-traditional-folk-...


> Western dress codes are obnoxious.

what would you call the ones in the Middle East?


Jeans are "Western".


Too much blue collar for chess it seems


I wonder if people would care as much about chess if it didn't foster an image of sophistication and intellectualism? Imagine if most players just turned up in street clothes and looked more like software developers .. would sponsors and the public be just as interested? Would available prize money be as good?


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I don’t have a dog in this fight, but the mao suit was exactly inspired by western wear.

There are more traditional forms or eastern dress.


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Why? I'm neutral on Western. I'm fine with Western. I'm fine with non-Western. I'm not okay with discriminating against non-Western.

My personal preference is for places to use locally-appropriate clothing for the simple, pragmatic reason that e.g. Western suits in Sub-Saharan Africa get too hot. Most local clothing tends to have gotten what it is for a reason. Even Arab clothing -- much criticized in the West for covering too much skin in the heat -- does well in sandy environments and ones where sunburn is an issue, and tends to be loose enough to provide for adequate airflow.


I'm the opposite of woke but he's not wrong that suits are a western thing and and enforcing it as if it's universal is a bit pushy


> suits are a western thing

I think you're commenting out of ignorance. FIDE's dress code does accepts "national costumes", on par with suits and Bermuda shorts.

https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2013/FIDE/Proposal_...

It's an arbitrary list of clothing items that is supposedly put together to "promote a good and positive image of chess", regardless of where you come from.


"Business casual (European standards), which means long trousers or pants, shirt, jacket, with or without tie (no t-shirts, no polo, no jeans, no sports shoes or sneakers or slippers, no hats or caps (except for religious reasons) and the equivalent style of dress for women players.

National costumes and team uniforms are allowed."

It quite literally says "European standards."

National costumes -- I don't know the context here -- usually means vetted traditional clothing (such as, for India, a sari, but not the much more common selwar suit). It also -- by definition -- excludes minority groups (for example, Inner Mongolia or Tibet in China, or the Kurds in Turkey). There's also the very practical matter that "minority groups" include neurodiversity too.

The whole point is to judge people on their chess and not on their looks. It's the exact same issue as professional hairstyles or, before that, professional skin colors. A 1930-era US or German management consulting firm would obviously look worse to clients with a non-white consultant. There was an objective reason to discriminate in positions. That didn't make it right.

In either case, if the goal of FIDE was to make money, discriminating would make complete business sense, regardless of ethical value.

If the goal is to promote chess, people should be able to see themselves in the game, and participate regardless of how they choose to look. Back to the management consulting example, in 1930, a qualified black management consultant would serve the additional benefit of being an ambassador to and role model for their community.


So a USA player can wear blue jeans?


FWIW blue jeans are about as western (literally!) as you get.


Who said anything about requiring suits?


> I'm the opposite of woke

English already has a word for that- asleep


No, "asleep" is the opposite of "awake". Woke is a different construct.

Maybe an antonym to "woke" could be "slept"?


It couldn't, because that has a negative connotation in that context.


“woke” the adjective not the past tense verb. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke

For clarity, my suggestion was also sarcastic.


As was I :)


“Woke” in this context is literally a synonym for “awake” [1].

It’s best to learn nuances of word usage before “correcting” others.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke


> I'm the opposite of woke

What exactly do you think that word means?


I find people who use it in a derogatory don’t do much actual thinking to start with.

The literal origin of its use in social justice realms was to put an emphasis and value on critical thinking.

By pondering the nature of society one can be “awoken” to the deeper sociological forces which shape individual lives.

I’ll freely admit the term has been perverted by a range of actors with motivations I disagree with.

But the original meaning and intent is valuable: all of us live in a world of hidden boundaries and power structures, but seeing that requires thought.

Many people don’t want to think for themselves, and they hate those that do.


That's far from the whole story though.

Part of being woke is usually seeing others as asleep and not as enlightened, which means it's ok to lecture them to hell and back. There's a difference between thinking critically and looking for problems to feel superior.


I agree to an extent, I think the term lost the original meaning.

My main complaint with the state of politics is too little thoughts and reflection. I think cable news, talk radio, and social media are the root cause.

Reading a daily newspaper or viewing the nightly news gives you a full day to think things over. We are more driven by emotion as a result of never having time to digest and reflect.


They tend to.

Agreed, and not just politics, too little thought and reflection period.

Fear will override almost anything, which is why we're being pounded with it from every angle. Time away maybe, disconnected.


Probably worth noting that the people who throw around “woke” as a pejorative also tend to be the ones calling people they disagree with “NPCs.”


You aren't wrong, but to be entirely fair, the original meaning of "woke" came from the black activist community and referred to the hidden boundaries and power structures of systemic white supremacy, ignorance of which could directly threaten their lives.

I think it's important to remember that specific context when talking about where "woke" as a concept comes from, its general acceptance within the leftist community has, unfortunately (and maybe inevitably,) come with a bit of whitewashing.


Totally agree.




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