While I agree, I can't picture how trump was more charismatic than Harris.

He seems like a used car salesman to me...

Yes, but used car salesman are charismatic, and people are frequently hoodwinked by used car salesman. Despite everyone saying watch out for the used car salesman.

He is not my cup of tea either but a lot of people like him.

Harris on the other hand is like an EU Bureaucrat.

Anyway. That’s my take, doesn’t mean I’m right.

strong man rhetoric is shockingly effective.

I heard an interesting thought on a podcast about Trump. Because he's always used and discarded his 'friends' his entire life, he's gotten very good at getting new people to like him. People say that 1:1 he can be very charming, just up to the point where he stabs you in the back.

Honestly while Trump is a little slimy he's also kinda funny. Visit some conservative spaces sometimes, they're having fun while liberal ones are all doom-and-gloom.

It really does matter.

Go to any middle school in America and find who the popular kids are - its the hot, mean but funny ones, not the ones with smart ideas for change

That’s humanity in a nutshell.

We do our best stuff when the hot mean ones listen to the ones with smart ideas.

There is a zero percent chance that the next 4 years will be our best.

Of course not physically but hes a billionaire, married to a Russian model. He is glamorous, which is enough for a man.

So if Democrats want to elect a woman. Someone like Sydney Sweeney would crush it in US politics. Maybe they should try that next time.

Politicians are very very similar to entertainers. Being on par with Sydney Sweeney would be a massive advantage.

Sarah Palin came close. Attractive powerful women with the intellectual horsepower of pillaf and she did remarkably well.

I'm sure you have a lovely cat and I'd be inclined to agree with you, as I'm not a fan of Clinton or Harris and find cats typically quite charismatic.

But saying Trump was more charismatic than Harris, your cat, or the shit I took this morning is certainly a divisive opinion at least.

I've encountered farts which cleared a room and were still more "charismatic" than Trump according to 9 out of 10 people exposed to both.

Harris has zero charisma. She cannot talk without creepy laugh or jokes that nobody laughs at, she can't work with crowds.

She was in primaries some time ago and gain less than 10% votes.

Ahh, I didn’t explicitly say that he is more charismatic than Harris.

I said, if the Democrats have chosen someone more charismatic than Harris, they would have won.

You said "Hillary and Harris have less charisma than my cat. They are simply unelectable"

Well.. Trump was elected. If you're not saying Trump is more charismatic then this all seems to contradict your point that charisma is necessary for electibility.

Just arguing for logic's shake now.

You are making a logical jump there. Hillary and Harris are Democrats. Trump is Republican. Based on logic, just because Trump won doesn't automatically make him more charismatic, as there are other factors that play role.

So logically you cannot assert that this is true; Trump winning <==> Trump more charismatic

The problem is that the rules are different. For Democrats, if they want to win, they need someone with charisma. See Biden, Obama, and Bill Clinton, versus Hillary Clinton and Dukakis for historical examples.

Republicans don't need charisma: if the Democratic candidate isn't charismatic enough, they'll instead vote for whatever pile of shit the GOP puts on the ticket.

The problem is the voters.

My $0.02, just one opinion yada yada.. Charisma was a part of it sure, but ultimately people can look past that. Bush Sr. had zero charisma.

The bigger part, amongst other things, Harris is part of the current administration, people are not happy about how things are going, or how much their groceries cost. People are not happy to get censored or called nazi's for having different opinions. When asked on a left-leaning show "The View" with people all on her side, what she would change about the last 4 years, she answered, "there is not a thing that comes to mind".

Charisma didn't kill her, not being able to ask layup questions killed her. The American people are not as dumb as the Harris voters are now screaming about on Reddit/TikTok/X, the American people want to know what their president is going to do to change their lives. Trump is a sociopath, again amongst other things, but he is very very clear about where he stands on things and what he's planning on doing.

> Trump is a sociopath, again amongst other things, but he is very very clear about where he stands on things and what he's planning on doing.

I don't know if you'll agree with this, but I actually think that one of Trump's gifts, or maybe his campaigns gifts seems to be to convince everyone they're going to get what they want, and is in fact not very very clear where he stands on things. He's sort of emotionally clear (tarriffs and illegal immigration)

But I also think...

If you ask a blue collar worker, they'll tell you Trump is pro-union If you ask a business owner they'll say he's anti-union. If you ask someone on the ACA, they'll tell you he'll protect it, if you ask a fiscal conservative, they'll tell you he'll abolish it. If you ask a woman, he'll keep abortion with the states. If you ask a catholic, he'll abolish abortion. He's friends to muslims but will also deport them.

He's the friend to the blue collar worker, enemy of the elites, but also friend to billionaires willing to work with him. I think this is why Trump would have beaten Sanders. Sanders would have never gotten the support of the business class, and if he did it would have eroded his support with his base, Trump is somehow immune to that.