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They’re doing well in spite of Musk, not because of him. Shotwell is running that company not him.


>CEO of Rocket Company named Gwynne Shotwell

That's an entry on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptronym

if I've ever seen one



Do you have any actual evidence of that, or is it something you like the idea of because it's difficult to accept that Musk is a real arsehole and total idiot about some things (e.g. steering wheels, divers), yet also a very successful engineer (yes) at other things (rockets, electric car platforms).

This tweet directly contradicts you:

https://x.com/lrocket/status/1845486565591798164


There's a simple rule, if Musk founded the company and it does well then it doesn't matter that he founded the company. (SpaceX)

However if Musk didn't found the company and it does well, then that's a very important thing. (Tesla)


Why would it matter whether he technically founded Tesla? He basically built it from scratch regardless.

Also What does that have to do with him (supposedly) being a talented engineer? He’s a brilliant strategist/visionary/CEO obviously but Cybertruck was a product of his engineering decisions then.. yeah.. probably he isn’t.


Cybertruck is outselling every EV sold by Ford, seems fine


Right, consumers are often stupid beyond belief and will buy an objectively worse product purely for prestige and signaling to other humans. It's that social part of the brain going off.

That doesn't change the fact the Cyber Truck is an inferior truck to just about any other truck in just about any metric. It's a testament to the sheer arrogance of Man and the failure of modern American education.


Faster than an F150-Lightning

Tighter turning than everyone

Faster charging than Rivian or F150, 94 miles gained in 15 mins vs 83 and 68

Best API obviously

Best suspension

Best ADAS

Lighter than both

Longer bed, larger cargo volume, higher payload and towing capacity than either


Looks like it’s designed by a not particularly talented three year old?

of course not everyone is bothered by that. All the water/environment related issues (I guess you can get the “optional” coating) and the absurd repair costs seem like a bigger issue.

> Tighter turning than everyone

Doesn’t the Hummer EV have a 25% smaller turning radius? Also a removable roof.


Not 25%, but yes, 11.34 vs 12.5, so 9% smaller

There are water/environment issues?


> very successful engineer

Do you have any evidence of him ever being one? I mean he’s an extremely successful CEO and decision maker which is almost infinitely more important than just being an engineer.

I mean was Jobs ever considered an “engineer”? And I’d bet he was significantly more involved in the design of Apple’s most successful products than Musk was in SpaceX (and possibly even Tesla if Cybertruck was the result of him going of the reins).


He gets down in the weeds to the engineering level… there’s plenty of evidence for this.


Nope. Not at all.


Go and watch the videos of him touring SpaceX. He's clearly involved in the engineering.

You just don't want to believe that because it complicates your view of him as a purely worthless arsehole. You can't accept that he's an arsehole and a skilled engineer (or project manager if you want to gatekeep "engineering").


> videos of him touring SpaceX

The marketing videos that he had made?

Imagine him coming up with the spaceship equivalent of the CyberTruck at SpaceX. Even Boeing would seem like being great at what they do at that point…


You read any biography of him any testimonials from people who've been with him. It's well known and obvious he gets into the weeds. THATS why his companies are successful.

This is a fair and balanced view of him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=WYQxG4KEzvo

The video goes into criticism as much as it goes into praise. It's a very accurate portrayal of elon with journalistic integrity.


> It's well known and obvious he gets into the weeds. THATS why his companies are successful.

What about the PayPal stories? Or those are all supposedly “not fair and balanced”?

> It's well known and obvious he gets into the weeds

That’s why the Cybetruck looks like it was draw by a 3 year old?

> THATS why his companies are successful.

Why? You don’t have to pretend you are an engineer to build an extremely successful company as CEO while having significant impact on the products it designs. Just look at Apple.


>What about the PayPal stories? Or those are all supposedly “not fair and balanced”?

What stories?

>That’s why the Cybetruck looks like it was draw by a 3 year old?

So? This doesn't serve to disprove my point. Elon gets into the weeds. Your opinion of it doesn't change the success of the company and the technology.

>Why? You don’t have to pretend you are an engineer to build an extremely successful company as CEO while having significant impact on the products it designs. Just look at Apple.

I never said anything about apple. I said that's why HIS companies are successful. There's plenty of reasons why other companies are successful.

It's a well known fact Elon Gets into the weeds of engineering and tech. Just watch the video.


Nah. Everyday Astronaut youtube channel.


Yeah, that's true for the incredible innovation in Neuralink and Paypal and OpenAI and Tesla, too. It's a total coincidence that Jeff Bezos and other billionaires fail.




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