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Not only when the battery runs bad. That can be renewed (sometimes, my 1st gen SE from the last batch runs the second battery pack, probably the last batch of batteries available).

Also when you are forced by apps you need that want the newest hardware by some reason. I mean when most of them, because some could be missed for a while, but when most you use are just refuse to work, then it is time to get a new one.

Not like you need the new app, it is the same like with the iPhone 'features' you mention, but when your bank app cannot connect the bank when it is the newest version minus 2, then it becomes a nuisance.

Not like I am afraid of tech, I have cool interconnected home appliances built from raspberrys and make my living on developing desktop tools, but the rampage of the mobile industry is just too much to handle. It does not worth the money and time they demand, getting in the way of my life as much as helping it. By now. It was better but getting worse as we speak.




5G is rapidly becoming this.

I'm still using a phone that's only a few years old and maxes out at 4G. Lately it's started sporadically losing connection entirely in locations where it previously worked perfectly... meanwhile everyone around me has a five bar 5G signal on their newer models. They've started to do to 4G what they did to E, H and 3G, complete bandwidth reduction to fuckin zero so the latest protocol can hog all frequencies. Planned obsolescence or what? Upgrade or we will slowly reduce your device to a useless brick.


> Planned obsolescence or what?

No, it's not an artificial barrier.

Cell phone spectrum is very limited. Making everyone switch every 8-9 years is reasonable.

In particular, 5G was available on many phones before 2020 and 6G might start deploying in 2030.


> Making everyone switch every 8-9 years is reasonable.

Not for the users, no!

Who the f cares what G is that if it does what is needed? Replacing is only reasonable for those who want to push through new things (to sell, keep themselves in their position, be paid). Technical barriers have overcome creatively in countless situations in history and we do not need ever increasing bandwith after a satisfactory level reached. Using old spectrums scarcely used should be possible in alternative manner but not f up the life of customers who pay for the whole thing if can be avoided!!


Customers have spoken and said the speed isn't satisfactory yet. And very few of them have complaints about this advancement rate. You have been outvoted.

4G and 5G can share to a good extent but it's not worth making every tower do both.


> we do not need ever increasing bandwith after a satisfactory level reached

Who says 4G was satisfactory for even the majority of customers? It wasn't satisfactory to me. Sure, useable, but there were (and still are) a number of things that aren't reliable enough that I'd like to do with the wireless networks available today.


Doesn’t 5G piggyback on 4G though?


At the beginning, marketers tried to trick customers into thinking that high bandwidth LTE is 5G


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