"no no, it's not that the technology has reached it's current limits and these companies are bleeding money, they're just withholding their newest releases not to spook the normies!"
Here's an experiment you can try, go to https://www.udio.com/home and grab a free account which comes with more than enough credits to do this. Use a free chat LLM like Claude 3.5 Sonnet or ChatGPT 4o to workshop some lyrics that you like, just try a few generations and ask it to rewrite parts you don't like until you have something that you don't find too cringe. Then go back over to Udio, go to the create tab turn on the Manual Mode toggle and type in only 3 or 4 comma separated tags that describe the genre you like keep them very basic like Progressive Rock, Hip Hop, 1995, Male Vocalist or whatever you don't need to combine genres these are just examples of tags. Then under the Lyrics section choose Custom and paste in just the chorus or a single verse from the lyrics you generated and then click Create. It'll create two samples for you to listen to, if you don't like either of them then just click Create again to get another two but normally it doesn't take too many tries to get something that sounds pretty good. After you have one you like then click on the ... menu next to the song title and click Extend, you can add sections before or after and you just have to add the corresponding verse from the lyrics you generated or choose Instrumental if you want a guitar solo or something. You'll wind up with something pretty good if you really listen to each sample and choose the best one.
Music generation is one of the easiest ways to "spook the normies" since most people are completely unaware of the current SOTA. Anyone with a good ear and access to these tools can create a listenable song that sounds like it's been professionally produced. Anyone with a good ear and competence with a DAW and these tools can produce a high quality song. Someone who is already a professional can create incredible results in a fraction of the time it would normally take with zero budget.
One of the main limitations of generative AI at the moment is the interface, Udio's could certainly be improved but I think they have something good here with the extend feature allowing you to steer the creation. Developing the key UI features that allow you to control the inputs to generative models is an area where huge advancements can be made that can dramatically improve the quality of the generated output. We've only just scratched the surface here and even if the technology has reached its current limits, which I strongly believe it hasn't since there are a lot of things that have been shown to work but haven't been productized yet, we could still see steady month over month improvements based on better tooling built around them alone.
Text generation has gone from markov chain babblers to indistinguishable from human written.
Image generation has gone from acid trip uncanny valley to photorealistic.
Audio generation has gone from 1930's AM radio quality to crystal clear.
Video generation is currently in fugue dream state but is rapidly improving.
3D is early stages.
???? is next but I'm guessing it'll be things like CAD STL models, electronic circuits, and other physics based modelling outputs.
I've tried Udio when it appeared, and, while it is spectacularly fascinating from the technical perspective, and can even generate songs that "sound" OK, it is still as cringe as cringe can be.
Do you have an example of any song that gained any traction among human audience? Not a Billboard hit, just something that people outside the techbubble accepted as a good song?
Have you tried the latest model? It's night and day.
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There's obviously still skill involved in creating a good song, it's not like you can just click one button and get a perfect hit. I outlined the simplest process in my first comment and specifically said you could create a "listenable" song, it's not going to be great but it probably rivals some of the slop you often hear on the radio. If you're a skilled music producer you can absolutely create something good especially now with access to the stemmed components of the songs. It's going to be a half manual process where you first generate enough to capture the feeling of the song and then download and make edits or add samples, upload and extend or remix and repeat.
I think the frontpage/recommended on Udio and Suno both have some decent music these days. By decent I mean on the level one could expect from say browsing music on say YouTube in areas one is not familiar with. There is of course a lot of meme/joke content, but also some pleasant/interesting sounding songs.
The really good stuff probably will not be marked as med with AI - and probably will also go via a DAW and proper mastering.
- someone responds with a Gen AI-enabled service that is
1) really impressive
2) is currently offered pretty much for free
3) doesn't have that many tangible benefits.
There's many technologies for which it's very easy to answer "how does it improve life of an average person": the desktop, the internet, the iPhone. I don't think Udio is anything like these. Long-term, how profitable do you expect a Udio-like application to be? Who would pay money to use this service?
It's just hard to imagine how you can turn this technology into a valuable product. Which isn't to say it's impossible: gen-AI is definitely quite capable and people are learning how to integrate it into products that can turn a profit. But @futureshock's point was that it is the AI investment bubble that's losing hype, and I think that's inevitable: people are realizing there are many issues with a technology that is super impressive but hard to productize.
I wrote a song for my girlfriend this way. It turned out pretty nice. A bit quirky is not necessarily a bad thing when making personalized content.
Took me a couple of hours to get it to my liking, including learning all the tools and the workflow for the first time. And fixing up a couple of mispronunciations of her nickname using inpainting.
Overall a very productive environment, and will probably try to make some more songs - an replace the vocals with my own using the stems feature.
I have some audio engineering skills, dabbled in songwriting, guitar and singng when I was younger, but actually never completed a full song. So it is quite transformative from that perspective!
That's great to hear! It's uses like this that really make Udio and other tools shine. Even just making up silly songs about things that happen in your life is fun or doing them as a gift like you did is always nice. It's also great to have the option to add music to other projects.
The ride to what? The place where human musicians can't earn a living because they can't live on less than what it costs to have an AI regurgitate the melodic patterns, chord progressions, and other music theory it has learned? This benefits who, exactly? It's a race to the bottom. Who is going to pay anything for music that can be generated basically for free? Who is going to go to a concert or festival to listen to a computer? Who is going to buy merchandise? Are the hardware, models, and algorithms used going to capture the public interest like the personalities and abilities of the musicians in a band? Will anyone be a "fan" of this kind of music? Will there be an AI Freddie Mercury, Elton John, Prince, or Taylor Swift?
It sounds like you're arguing with yourself. You provide exactly the reasons why generative AI isn't going to take us to a "place where human musicians can't earn a living". It's my understanding that most small bands primarily earn their money from live performances and merchandise, gen AI isn't going to compete with them there, if anything it'll make it much easier for them to create their own merch or at least the initial designs for it.
AI generated music is more of a threat to the current state of the recording industry. If I can create exactly the album or playlist that I want using AI then why should I pay a record label for a recording that they're going to take 90% of the retail price from? The playlist I listen to while I'm working out or driving is not competing with live band performances, I'm still going to go to a show if there's a band playing that I like.
Yeah I didn't really state that very well. My point was mostly what you say: because people are fans of artists, and because AI music is/will be essentially free to produce, AI music isn't something that will make money for anyone, unless it's the default way anything online makes money: ads are injected into it. I'm not going to pay for it. I'm not going to buy merchandise, or go to concerts, or do anything a music fan does and pays money for. I'm not even going to put it in a workout playlist, because I can just as easily make a playlist of real human artists that I like.
I disagree that it's a threat to the recording industry. They aren't going to be able to sell AI music, but nobody else is either, because anyone who wants AI music can just create it themselves. Record labels will continue to sell and promote real artists, because that's how they can make money. That's what people will pay for.
Fair enough but I'm not sure you're even going to realize if you're listening to AI generated music or not. One way of using these tools is to take lyrics and create several different melodies and vocal styles. An artist or a professional songwriter could do this and then either record their own version or pay musicians to perform it. That could be any combination of simply re-recording the vocal track, replacing or adding instrument tracks, making small modifications to some of the AI generated tracks, etc. The song can then be released under the name of the singer who can also go on tour in the flesh. You might also just come across a 100% AI song on a streaming platform and enjoy it and add it to a playlist. Who vets all of the music they listen to anyways? and if the producer manages the web presence of the "band" and provides a website it would withstand a cursory search. You'd have to look closely to determine that there are no human band members other than the producer. For the types of electronic music that aren't usually performed live and are solely attributed to one artist it might be impossible to tell. The line would be especially blurry there anyways due to the current extensive use of samples and non-AI automation.
There are a lot more fuzzy edges too, you can use AI tools to "autotune" your own voice into a completely different one. You can tap out a quick melody on a keyboard and then extend, embellish and transform it into a full song. You could even do the full song yourself first and then remix it using AI.
The point I agree on would be that one-click hits are going to be few and far between for a while at least. If no effort is put into selecting the best then it's really just random chance. I'd be willing to bet that there will be an indie smash hit song created by a single person who doesn't perform any of the vocals or instruments within a year though. It'll get no play time on anything controlled by the industry titans but people will be streaming it regardless.
