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Maduro is also saying that the mass protests he's facing are the product of Chilean-trained operatives acting against him, he says many things.


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Chilean intelligence being the black hand behind the protestors rising up against a stolen election is pretty far fetched, South American countries haven't meddled to that level in one another since the XIX century, which was more of a diplomatic free for all in much of the world, so you also saw secret treaties, sponsored coups, puppet Governments, and all that.

Maduro had promised to let international observers in, but began withdrawing the invitations a few months ahead of the elections, and the Carter Foundation was one of two to be allowed a restricted "technical" observation.

The US would benefit from international observers these days, frankly, casting doubts over its electoral system has been used to ill effect to its political stability by bad actors.


I'd love to have election observers here, but it would be political suicide for any politician to suggest it. Most Americans detest the idea that any influence from outside could improve anything here.


I don't have this feeling. As a single data point, the vast majority of my friends, both democratic and republican, are concerned about the other party pulling some tricks and would welcome as much independent transparency as possible; international observers and anything else. My 2c.


For my data point, the Republicans I know who are concerned about election meddling would consider virtually any foreign country, or the entire international community at large, to be potential conspirators against us. Russia gets a pass as long as Trump vouches for them, but he could turn that on a dime if he wanted.


Interesting. I do not think I personally know a single Republican who would be against international observers at US elections; and we did discuss the topic with a few.

No offense intended, but are you actually going off your friends' explicitly stated opinions or current media memes?


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He probably is. There’s no sane person that can defend what is happening in Venezuela. I’m Venezuelan and had to immigrate due to the countries condition. Out of more than 7 million that left only around 200k could vote from Outside. The want for change was such that even disbarring 7 million people they still lost.

I come here to get my tech news and encounter people doing government propaganda.


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> Gee I wonder why he might be paranoid about foreign operatives trying to violently oust him

Because he’s an unpopular dictator who knows fairly well for having seen it in the recent past that you can go very quickly from getting 99% of the vote in an election to dead in a ditch? In his position you’re either paranoid or dead. This does not make him a better person.


You can have that personal belief, but independent analyses of past election results have upheld their validity. If he's a dictator, he's one that's earned the popular vote of Venezuela multiple times. Perhaps this time it's different


> but independent analyses of past election results have upheld their validity

What do you consider to be independent? I’m seeing a lot of the opposite here for 2018 for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_e...


just because you are paranoid that everybody is out to get you doesn't mean that everybody doesn't have good reason and that you don't really deserve it


Yeah I could see someone being paranoid from rigging several elections


Yeah, and Trump promised to release his tax returns. Around here, our sewage trucks have the word "Political Promises" painted on the side.


>Maduro has already vowed to release election data...

Yeah and everyone's still waiting on D's tax returns.

Promises have to be kept.


Okay. I don't have an opinion. I just think GP's specific wording was misleading

> which apparently it is never going to do




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