Would you say the same thing for bicycles, in places without dedicated bicycle lanes?

I’m an avid cyclist who’s been in a few crashes. I will absolutely not bike commute in dangerous parts of the city. So yes, I’d say the same.

I would not because you don’t go 60mph with a leather jacket for protection on a bike, you go about a quarter that if you are really pushing between lights.

And honestly as a biker taking the entire lane is so much safer than some bike lanes even. Sure people honk but they arent psychotic they will pass you by merging the lane. If you ride on the shoulder they try and squeeze by and thats where there are issues. You are also more visible to turning traffic from other directions when you take the lane.

E-bikes are massively safer because they move slower. Yes you can still be run over by some chud truck but motorbikes are dangerous on their own.

I suspect driving a motorbike in sub 40mph areas in London and other major cities is actually safer than pedal cycling.

You’re subject to fewer overtakes and have much better protective equipment if anything bad does happen.

However I’ve not been able to find any data or studies inspecting this directly. There’s some urban data but I think that can include certain motorways and high speed roads.

I know a large number of people who commute by bike in Melbourne. Every single last one of them has at some point been hit by a car or has suffered serious injuries trying to avoid being hit by a car. Many of them have had this happen multiple times, and these are all cases where they have dedicated bike lanes — they weren't riding with general traffic, which is of course far more dangerous.

Yes, absolutely