> This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing).
I feel like people are being a bit naïve here. Apple's "Privacy First" strategy was a marketing spin developed in response to being dead-last in web-development/cloud computing/smart features.
Apple has had no problem changing their standards by 180 degrees and being blatantly anti-consumer whenever they have a competitive advantage to do so.
Having worked at Apple I can assure you it's not just spin. It's nigh on impossible to get permission to even compare your data with another service inside of Apple and even if you do get permission the user ids and everything are completely different so theres no way to match up users. Honestly its kind of ridiculous the lengths they go to and makes development an absolute PITA.
That could very well be true, but I also think it could change faster than people realize. Or that Apple has the ability to compartmentalize (kind of like how Apple can advocate for USB C adoption in some areas and fight it in others).
I'm not saying this to trash Apple - I think it's true of any corporation. If Apple starts losing revenue in 5 years because their LLM isn't good enough because they don't have enough data, they are still going to take it and have some reason justifying why theirs is privacy focused and everyone else is not.
Of course! The difference is that, for the time being, my incentives are aligned with theirs in regards to preserving my privacy.
The future is always fungible. Anyone can break whatever trust they've built very quickly. But, like the post you are replying to, I have no qualms about supporting companies that are currently doing things in my interest and don't have any clear strategic incentive to violate that trust.
Edit: that same incentive structure would apply to NVIDIA, afaik
I can't agree with your comment. apple has all the incentives to monetize your data, that's the whole value of Google and Meta. And they are already heading into ad-business earning billions last I've checked. Hardware ain't selling as much as before, this isn't going to change for the better in foreseeable future.
The logic is exactly same as ie Meta claims - we will pseudoanonymize your data, so technically your specific privacy is just yours, see nothing changed. But you are in various target groups for ads, plus we know how 'good' those anon efforts are when money are at play and corporations are only there to earn as much money as possible. Rest is PR.
I'll disagree with your disagreement - in part at least. Apple is still bigger than Meta or Google. Even if they had a strong channel to serve ads or otherwise monetize data, the return would represent pennies on the dollar.
And Apple's privacy stance is a moat against these other companies making money off of their customer base. So for the cost of pennies on the dollar, they protect their customer base and ward off competition. That's a pretty strong incentive.
Don't bother the fanboys have an Apple can't do anything wrong/malicious. At this point it's closer to a religion than ever.
You would be amazed at the response of some of them when I point out some shit Apple does that make their products clearly lacking for the price, the cognitive dissonance is so strong they don't know how to react in any other way than lying or pretending it doesn't matter.
If you’re annoyed about quasi-religious behavior, consider that your comment has nothing quantifiable and contributed nothing to this thread other than letting us know that you don’t like Apple products for non-specific reasons. Maybe you could try to model the better behavior you want to see?
How do you even come to the conclusion that I don't like Apple products?
I have a phone, watch and computer from them. It's not like I hate the products.
I have very specific reasons to be annoyed but they are far too many to list them all in a simple post. I was working with and buying Apple stuff before the turn of the millenium and I have worked as an Apple technician and helped way more Apple users than I could care to list.
This is my experience and your comment precisely illustrates that.
My comment was about the delusion of privacy first marketing bullshit that they came up with to excuse the limitations of some of their stuff.
But since Apple can't do anything wrong, we are not going anywhere. Whatever, keep on believing.
Considering you commented on another one of my comments about the Apple "special sauce magic' RAM I can see how you could think that.
I'll check myself thanks, but you should check your allegiance to a trillion dollar corp and its bullshit marketing, that's really not useful to anyone but them.
I feel like people are being a bit naïve here. Apple's "Privacy First" strategy was a marketing spin developed in response to being dead-last in web-development/cloud computing/smart features.
Apple has had no problem changing their standards by 180 degrees and being blatantly anti-consumer whenever they have a competitive advantage to do so.