All these toy lisps aren't really advancing the state of the art. It's dog bites man at this point, there really isn't much new to talk about.

There's nothing wrong with that, but , oh, look, a new scheme, yea. None of the previous 70 changed my life in any meaningful way.

Functional programming is easily available in almost any modern lang, virtually all of which have better tooling (and no, I have zero interest in using emacs) and ecosystems.

It seems some people really don't like you not liking new Lisp implementations, even though nothing you said is wrong: there are already lot of Lisps, the non-toy ones have roughly the same performance characteristics across the platforms they run on, and most non-Lispers don't care about them.

I think some people may take umbrage at TylerE's statement of:

> virtually all of which have better tooling (and no, I have zero interest in using emacs) and ecosystems

Anyway, there are a lot of Lisp-like (for a given value of like) language implementations indeed, but then there are also a lot of recordings of various orchestras performing Beethoven's 6th Symphony.

Whereas those 10 languages that are not lisps are advancing syntax! Where there is syntax there's semantics, clearly. Therefore it follows that whenever there's advancement in syntax there's advancement in semantics.

No? That's not at all what I said. Come on, comment in good faith. It's not even a unique lisp, it's just yet another R<SOMETHING>RS Scheme.

Sorry, right. What I mean is that those 10 languages with new syntaxes can disguise that they're not actually new better than 10 lisps (can disguise the same). In the programming world at large most people are duped by syntax.

Someone making just a RNRS Scheme, with nothing new in it compared to other Schemes is at least honest.

Clojure? VSCode? Neovim?

gerbil is hardly a toy lisp!

What major real world systems that people actually use are implemented in scheme? Lisp programming environments don’t count. I’m talking general use software.

https://www.lambdanative.org/#apps off the top of my head

a bit of googling also came up with https://www.quora.com/How-has-Scheme-been-used-in-real-world...

That post is from years ago, and even then almost all of it is past tense. (Used not use). The three things that I actually spot checked were form the 80s. Yeah, lots of companies were throwing money at lisp during the original AI boom, not news.

not sure why you are so convinced scheme is a useless toy language that you won't even bother looking for examples. but here is a list of active projects built in chicken: https://wiki.call-cc.org/Software