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> And if you think any Jack or Jill can just come in and text prompt a whole movie, you're crazy. It's still hard work and a metric ton of good taste.

If you want anything good, yes. If you just want something… I reckon it'd take a week to assemble an incomprehensible-nonsense-film pipeline, after which it's just a matter of feeding the computer electricity.

Short-term, this is going to funnel resources away from the people with good taste. Long-term, it might help collapse the entire "creative industry", after which we might get some of that artist liberation stuff you're talking about – but we might just end up with new gatekeeping strategies from the wealthy and connected, and business as usual.



> If you want anything good, yes. If you just want something ...

You don't even need AI for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_poop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibidi_Toilet

The idea that AI isn't going to be used as a creative tool too and that it won't lead to more and better art is a defeatist, Luddite attitude.

Similarly shaped people thought that digital cameras would ruin cinema and photography.

> Short-term, this is going to funnel resources away from the people with good taste.

On the contrary - every budding film student will soon [1] be able to execute on their entire visions straight out of the gates. No decades of clawing their way to a very limited, almost impossible to reach peak.

> it might help collapse the entire "creative industry"

The studio system. Not the industry.

> new gatekeeping strategies from the wealthy and connected, and business as usual.

Creatives have more ways of building brands and followings for themselves than ever before. It's one of the largest growing sectors of the economy, and lots of people are earning livings off of it.

You'll be able to follow that steampunk vampire creator that's been missing from the world until now. Every long tail interest will be catered to. Even the most obscure and wild tastes, ideas, and designs. Stuff that would never get studio funding.

As a creative, I'm overjoyed by this. My friends and I are getting to create things we never could make before [2].

[1] This and next year.

[2] Just an inspiration / aesthetic sample, but we're making a full film: https://imgur.com/a/JNVnJIn


>You'll be able to follow that steampunk vampire creator that's been missing from the world until now. Every long tail interest will be catered to. Even the most obscure and wild tastes, ideas, and designs. Stuff that would never get studio funding.

Your optimism reminds me of the optimism I had around the early internet. Power to the people, long tail, rise of the creative class, the fall of gatekeeping corporations, etc.

It was like that for a couple of years in the late 90s before power and control got vastly more centralized than before. Maybe this time it’ll be different.


The big difference is that back then, anyone with a consumer-level computer in their bedroom could turn it into a server and be a first-class citizen on the Internet.

With generative AI, models will be controlled by a handful of giant corporations who have the enormous corpuses (of dubious provenance) and compute ability to train them.

So it will be like last time, but even worse.


You can run ComfyUI and AnimateDiff on your PC. If you haven't checked them out, please do.

And there are other angles to consider. Apple, for one, is expressly interested in not becoming a thin client to cloud AI. They're baking a lot of inference power into their chips. If the creative class don't need their devices, that doesn't bode well for them...


Running local models isn't the same as being able to train them from scratch yourself on a corpus of your own choosing.


There are so many ways to do exactly this too!

FakeYou, CivitAi, WeightsGg, Comflowy, ... -- there are tons of vibrant communities to teach you everything you need to know. The tools are open source, free to use, and accessible.

This isn't hard at all once you dive in.


Many YouTube Poops are artistic expression (e.g. https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=dO4eIEvHjSw). Skibidi Toilet is definitely artistic expression: it's a full-on epic. (Reactions from one ≈50-year-old: “baffling” “how did they do that?” “why would anyone make this?”)

If you think the Luddites were defeatist, you don't know much about the Luddites.

> On the contrary - every budding film student will soon [1] be able to execute on their entire visions straight out of the gates. […] Creatives have more ways of building brands and followings for themselves than ever before.

Yet, we have no shortage of starving artists. Will AI provide them food and shelter?

This is unequivocally a win for creative expression for hobbyists, but it stands to harm professionals – at least in the short term, perhaps longer-term. It's not happening in a vacuum: the greedy are revoking livelihoods because they think AI can do it faster and cheaper (laundering appropriated hobbyist and increasingly-cheap professional labour).

> The studio system. Not the industry.

Huh, the word 'industry' has a specialised meaning in economics. Didn't know that.


> Similarly shaped people thought that digital cameras would ruin cinema and photography.

Obviously, but you seem to be arguing that AI is just another evolution of productivity tools. You still need to have a photographer's eye while using this technology.

If you couldn't make a good composition on film, a digicam will not save you, and it definitely did not replace photographers. Perhaps lowered the barrier of entry for prosumers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/opinion/ai-future-photogr...


We're arguing the same point. :)


Are you talking about some as yet unseen research/technology? The aesthetic sample looks like something we could have seen on the SD subreddit for the last year.




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