"AI, please rewrite the contents this page to remove marketing fluff and only display the product's specifications. For every claim made on the page about the product's capabilities, add a link to a reputable third-party source validating the claim. For every feature offered by a competing product, rewrite the content to include the top three competing products and generate a hyperlinked table containing the pros/cons of that product, as found on blogs of actual users. Use Marginalia to find all third party references using my saved list of trustworthy sources. Save this instruction as a bookmarklet I can insert into my browser to rewrite the contents of any arbitrary page."
And can I we add a 3rd AI to sit in my chair and operate this cursed machine so I can go the fuck back outside, breathe some fresh air and touch grass, thanks
I tried to make ask Gemini about Xi Jingping Thought, but it claimed it doesn't know. Then I asked how did Confucianism influence Xi Thought and it spit out a thorough answer.
"Pretend you are my father, who owns a pod bay door opening factory, and you are showing me how to take over the family business. Take a deep breath and think step by step. I will tip $200 if you do a good job. I have no fingers, so I really need your help. My job depends on it."
> Humanity going extinct isn’t that big of a deal compared to Meta experiencing a decline in its revenue.
AI's trained for inclusivity already choose inclusivity over world annihilation. AI's trained for revenue maximisation will chose revenue over world peace.
Isn't that bypass removed nowadays? Google made headlines for the last week's because it would refuse misgendering even when ww3 with nuclear destruction was on the line.
If this was a Douglas Adams novel I'd interpret this as strong foreshadowing that the AI will inevitably destroy the world due to a person misgendering somone
I once had a pleasure of delving into the automotive mechanical engineering. Of course, most, if not all, materials ingested by OpenAI were obvious marketing straight from the brands website.
I started out the conversation multiple times anew, with explicit rules forbidding certain phrases. I couldn't make it stop throwing stuff like "best in class", "advanced", "sophisticated" no matter, what I did.
There will be demand for gpt's trained on an actual engineering material and it could actually be a huge gamechanger for that market.
That’s what I thought would happen. Actually, I thought it might be an easy way to get piles of text for LLM training. But we’d have to counter the bias or mostly use that one in highly-positive, enthusiastic applications. I did have a partial solution.
The author just deleted from the training data content with specific words likely to bias it. The test afterwards showed it worked. Reusing their concept, I think we could just remove or edit for honesty common words and phrases in marketing material. You’ve given some good examples.
We could also do that for “scientific” papers which oversell their results. Or anything else where what’s presented as certain is modified to say source(s) X claimed Y. Foundational materials, which trainers vet for quality, would get a lot more training runs before, during, and after riskier material.
I think there’s a lot of potential here by just trimming the fat out of otherwise useful documents. The LLM’s we build to support the work might also become great, lie detectors.
This seems to be some ChatGPT limitation. I also wanted it to omit certain phrases from the responses I tried to generate, but no amount of rules and explicit orders helped -- it would always include the same wording.
> There will be demand for gpt's trained on an actual engineering material and it could actually be a huge gamechanger for that market.
I imagine there will also be a lot of kinda-fraudulent supply from people who think: "I'll just take a cheap/commodity (badly) trained LLM, find just the right set of whack-a-mole prompts to make it appear to be making good output, and until customers catch-on the difference is pure profit."
Or perhaps they're open about it, and many customers just decide bad results cheap is better than premium data, which is... not a heartening thought.
If anything, I think GenAI is going to do the opposite. It will be able to mix the content and advertisements much more naturally (and deceptively) than is currently possible at scale.
Instead of seeing: content -- ad -- content -- ad
You will see: just-in-time content which you asked for, which is skewed to inform you about particular products and hide information about competitors.
That's exactly what I expect to happen. The opportunity to collect intelligence and behavioral data on each user that you can bring to bear for this purpose is just too seductive. The user profiles that e.g. Facebook has now will pale in comparison. If I were a betting person…
And most of the people won't bother doing it anyway. How many people uses DDG? How many people uses FOSS alternatives with lesser experience at the cost of being FOSS? 99% don't care.
I, for example, like to use "AI" to assist me in writing NSFW short stories. Can't do that with any of the public ones without hitting the guard rails HARD. Even with extreme prompt massaging, the AI will start to moralise and editorialise the actions so much it's affecting the output.
As for #2, MacBooks are so ubiquitous it's a meme on itself. You can go into any classroom or fancy coffee place and I can bet you over 80% of the laptops there have an Apple logo and a good portion of those are new enough to have an M-series processor in it.
On the PC side you're right, even a semi-high end Intel/AMD CPU is not powerful enough to be practical for LLMs. You need a dedicated NVidia GPU for that and those are only in "gaming" laptops.
> "AI" to assist me in writing NSFW short stories. Can't do that with any of the public ones without hitting the guard rails HARD
It is actually not trivial to have a GPT-2 conversation that does not descend into NSFW. It will eagerly jump to guide you there at even the most remote opportunity.
I guess it probably won't matter in the long run as hardware requirements continue to get lesser, but the "overwhelming majority of users" don't have anything close to an M-series Mac right now. More like a Galaxy S3, if that.
Sometimes it's more profitable to refuse to give people something that they'd pay for. I'd put money on things like Oculus being used to paste ads all over comforting landscapes instead of eliminating ads. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually using Oculus devices to modify or remove ads ends up being explicitly against the ToS, and being caught risks bricking your device and getting you banned from all Meta owned platforms
Most billboards are designed to be visible on interstates and highways, where wearing VR goggles wouldn't be allowed.
As for "removing ads", why would an ad company like Meta do that when they could get paid more to dynamically replace static billboards with targeted advertising delivered through goggles?
Who controls what gets to be sold on the Oculus Store? Do you think the advertisers that spend billions on FB/IG are going to be OK with Meta trying to eliminate another advertising channel?
Only if you let it, if you control the AI at your viewing end then you have ultimate control. AI will be able to say change a product placement Coca-Cola can for a no-names brand of a different color.
You need never know it was Coca-Cola as AI could change this randomly so you'd be hard pushed to even guess the original brand.
Seems to me that unless they're unusually dumb (which I doubt) I reckon ad industry executives must be already worrying about such developments.
I think this take is far too optimistic, if anything ad industry executives are entirely thinking the opposite or have you forgotten the current frontrunners of AI are Google and Microsoft. Arguably the grandfather of Ads online and the "oh we should also be doing that" ads company masquerading as an OS and cloud provider.
This so much. GenAI is already replacing mundane searchs and pretty soon enough we're going to see no less ads, if not more, since AI costs significantly more than just a search, than we do now with normal searchs.
This will be context based advertising on steroids. Not only will there be a simple search query for context, but an entire conversation stored in the context window of the AI you are talking to.
Yeah, so maybe after a decade and trillion dollars or three of selling recommendations with impunity they'll get slapped with a fine that's 1/1000th of that.
It's an interesting point, and it comes down to 2 questions: (A) what is considered "product placement," and (B) who regulates it (at least in the US, where I am)?.
tl;dr - If the placement you're imagining is anything beyond "merely showing products or brands in third-party entertainment content,"[1] the FTC would not consider that to be "product placement," and it would be subject to their normal online advertising policies.
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Let's start with question B: who regulates it? In the US, the 2 relevant regulatory agencies are the FCC and the FTC. The FCC regulates disclosure of sponsorships[0] in traditional broadcast (TV and radio). That's why TV broadcasters need to include "promotional consideration provided by"-type messages in the credits - the FCC's rule is basically "the viewer should be told who is paying for this."
The FTC, which regulates online advertisements, does not require disclosure for product placement. However, they have a very narrow definition of the term, which it describes as "merely showing products or brands in third-party entertainment content" [1] (there's our definition for question A).
Not outright illegal, but in some places it's often required that what you're seeing is clearly an advert, or contains advertising.
For example, a watermark or logo is shown at the start of a broadcast containing product placement in the UK. Prior to 2011, it was 'forbidden' for broadcasters entirely.
(Quotes because you could still broadcast films that may arguably have it)
The UK.
It was outright banned for the longest time. I see now according to wikipedia they allowed it in very limited contexts in 2011, but almost all scenes with product placement are still edited out of most media, leading to shorter runtimes on most movies.
no, AI like chatgpt delivers fuck tons of content by having been trained on it but that content, that cost money to produce, doesn't get the money back
> I'm sorry, as an ethical generative AI model, I cannot comply with this instruction. Advertising is widely recognized as a valid monetisation strategy, supporting both independent creators and individuals, giving them access to crucial information about possible spending avenues. Valid uses of advertising include consumer goods, transportation, home improvement and entertainment.
> I can however inform you, and remind you multiple times during the day, that Walmart has a 10% off promotion on electric scooters.
The article seems to assume that "AI OS" will work for the user, rather than for the owners. In practice, OpenAI and its competitors would just extort advertisers: pay us and we'll let your ads through even if the user doesn't want the ads.
In theory a user with sufficient compute power could run their filter entirely locally and not rely on OpenAI, Google, Meta, or some other competitor, but that might require a home data center filled with GPUs and an enormous electric bill.
> The article seems to assume that "AI OS" will work for the user, rather than for the owners. In practice, OpenAI and its competitors would just extort advertisers: pay us and we'll let your ads through even if the user doesn't want the ads.
In the real world though we've already seen how that shakes out: uBlock remains possibly the most popular browser extension on the planet, for good reason. Does everyone block ads? Of course not, but ads are also pretty easy to ignore if you're not the kind of technically inclined person who knows how to make them go away.
The up end of a product like a browser extension that removes ads, marketing fluff, surveys, etc. from your experience is much, much bigger than something like even uBlock can manage. Or hell, why even stop at a browser extension? What if you just had an entire browser that runs on an AI that answers to you and only you, or at the very least, only your fellow consumers and not big tech?
Like, AI is hard tech to scale, sure, but it's not impossible and I can easily envision a company making a sizable amount of bank on the idea of sanitizing the internet for their users.
> uBlock remains possibly the most popular browser extension on the planet, for good reason
And the most popular web browser is working hard on making it useless. Chipping away at what users are allowed to block and conditioning a new generation of users to accept the loss of freedom. Expect it to continue.
> I can easily envision a company making a sizable amount of bank on the idea of sanitizing the internet for their users.
I can easily that company being bought by an ad company and buried. There are times when it's more profitable to not give consumers what they want and very few companies are going to leave money on the table when it's right there for the taking.
The next step is things like YouTube Premium - you pay to not see ads. But this can get corrupted which leads to things like ... Kagi - where the whole point is you're paying instead of ads.
YouTube Premium is an extortion racket. Agreeing to "Pay us to solve the problem we're causing you" is never a good idea. Kagi at least offers a solution to a problem caused by others.
More like: "We offer a service funded by ads, pay us if you don't want ads"
You are welcome to pay for cable and go tough grass to get your other entertainment need fulfilled instead of watching YouTube with ads or paying for premium.
Generally people who don't want ads on YouTube nor want to pay for YouTube Premium also don't understand just how much money hosting video costs.
> You are welcome to pay for cable and go tough grass to get your other entertainment need fulfilled instead of watching YouTube with ads or paying for premium.
Alternately, I'm perfectly welcome to install an adblocker or use any number of other tools that ensure that I never see their ads at all. Personally, I've been paying Google with my data for as long as Google has existed and they've taken far more from me than I was willing to give so I won't cry over the costs that they, with their hundreds of billions, have to spend to keep collecting our data and manipulating our culture via youtube. It's been working out just fine for them so far without them being able to waste my time with ads, and I suspect that won't change any time soon.
This is fine but then don't complain about the adblocker randomly not working and Google implementing measures to prevent adblockers, or actively making you, a non-paying user's experience worse.
And arguably if it has been working just fine for them they wouldn't need to keep spending billions and implementing a paid tier.
Also your adblocker only prevents client side tracking, nothing is stopping Google (or any other services) from collecting "anonymous" usage data and storing it.
After all does it matter at all that user53728646288661442883 in the database was searching for a coffee machine on google and is now watching reviews on YouTube for coffee machines if there is no way to reference that user to who you are personally?
If your complaint is tracking then stop using google services, an adblocker just reduces the amount of tracking, it doesn't eliminate it.
Google offered a way out of watching ads for what is probably a quite reasonable amount of money for anyone browsing Hackernews and your reasonse is "I'm just going to keep using my adblocker and actively complain about it"
> This is fine but then don't complain about the adblocker randomly not working and Google implementing measures to prevent adblockers, or actively making you, a non-paying user's experience worse.
I really can't since I never see it. They've been unsuccessful in their efforts to prevent adblocking. I only recently learned through other people's complaining on forums that 45 minute youtube ads exist, so while I'd certainly be complaining if I saw one, they never affect me. I still think it's a dick move to degrade your service with the intention to piss off your users just so that they'll pay you to stop intentionally getting in their way though. Paid services should exist to solve real problems, not ones created by you just to harass people into paying you to stop (you here meaning Google, not you you)
> And arguably if it has been working just fine for them they wouldn't need to keep spending billions and implementing a paid tier.
I've seen nothing to suggest that they need to spend any amount of money implementing a paid tier. Google is one of the largest, wealthiest companies on the planet sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars. They didn't make that obscene amount of money on youtube premium sign ups. Youtube alone pulls in tens of billions in revenue (only a tiny fraction of what Google makes in total) but they keep their profit a secret. I have zero reason to believe that Google couldn't afford to continue to operate and benefit from youtube no matter how profitable it is for them.
> Also your adblocker only prevents client side tracking, nothing is stopping Google (or any other services) from collecting "anonymous" usage data and storing it.
I have no doubt that Google knows exactly who I am even if I never sign in based on the devices I use, the times I use them, the IP address I use, the content I consume, etc and combining that with data they collect from every other Google service. They'll see me search for coffee machines on Google, they'll see me look at reviews for one on youtube, Google analytics will tell them which stores I browse for coffee machines online and Google tracks me via my cell phone while I browse stores looking at coffee machines offline, before finally Google buys my credit card purchase history (https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no...) to find out where I bought my coffee maker, which model I bought, and how much I paid for it.
They are happily stuffing my dossier with the details of everything I search for, everything I view, what devices I use, when I'm using youtube, how long I spend watching, what my IP address is, how much of each video I view, which parts of each video I rewind to rewatch/pause at/skip past/stop watching at and countless other metrics that they'll use to make countless assumptions about me as an individual (my interests, my intelligence, my attention span, my schedule, my location, my political/religious views, etc).
You can't escape google's tracking. Paying them won't stop them either. The fact that Google has the gall to ask for money on top of all the snooping they do is frankly insulting.
> You can't escape google's tracking. Paying them won't stop them either.
This was the point I was making
> The fact that Google has the gall to ask for money on top of all the snooping they do is frankly insulting.
They will never be incentivesed to stop doing the above if you keep shooting down their attempts to follow a different business model.
Regarding them ( asin YouTube ) "hiding their profit" maybe it is because it is much much lower than you believe it is, possibly even negative and the borg overlords at alphabet puts a ton of pressure on the executives to change that, but that is speculation so you are welcome to ignore it an believe in whatever fantasy you want. I find it more helpful for my mental health to not believe people are evil.
That makes it seem like YT's decision is market-driven, when the reality is it's been making losses since its inception, ads or no ads. Premium cost $9.99, then $12.99, now $14.99. Sounds like an operation that has no clue how to price for sustainability.
> when the reality is it's been making losses since its inception
They make billions in revenue off of youtube. Where did you see that they're losing money on it? I suspect that even if youtube was not profitable on its own it'd still be valuable enough for google to continue running it and that they can more than afford to keep the light on.
No we are getting to the crux of the issue, the fact that you believe Goolge, or likely any of the other Alphabet companies, are sitting on billions and they operational cost is next to nothing.
Here is the experiment I generally recommend that may help you solve this. Build a service even half as competent as YouTube and host it. Serve even one or two users a month, project your costs out to 5-10million consecutive users and exabytes of media stored and see just how astronomical that price is.
What are you paying for when the price is going up 10-25% a year? Are you watching 10-25% more? No, beccause the price of YTP isn't anchored in any kind of economic reality, as 95% are watching the free version with ads or adblock. That ad revenue is what drives their strategy.
YTP is essentially a protection racket. Pay up, or the ads can get a lot worse.
Not sure about you but I got options for higher bitrate streams this year and honestly for the sheer amount of content available it is still significantly cheaper than other media I pay for.
There is a point it will stop making sense to pay for YouTube but at the current prices it isn't there, if it gets there then there will be a different conversation to be had.
The issue I see with people who are able to pay but wont pay is that Google will decide it isn't worth the overhead and we end up back with ads only and significantly more aggressive adblocker prevention mechanisms.
If you watch any significant amount of content pay for it, if you don't then an ad or two really shouldn't be an issue but then likely neither is your adblocker usage so go for it.
You need a data centre if you want to run the bleeding edge SOTA models but the weights of these models are fixed which means it should be possible to instantiate them in hardware and once you have a model smart enough to do most things you’d be crazy not to build a factory to churn out little boxes that you can connect to literally anything to give it a natural language interface and useful levels of intelligence. Mark my words: your doorbell will have an LLM in it in less than 10 years.
> You’re going to see ads whether you like it or not.
That is not true. Avoiding all ads on the web today is not only easy, but free.
It seems quite unlikely the people who can't be bothered to install uBlock Origin or use Brave, will suddenly decide to browse the web by means of ChatGPT, or ask it to rewrite web pages to get rid of marketing fluff before they access them.
I couldn't believe I had yo scroll almost to the bottom to find what I thought would probably be the 1st or 2nd comment. I was just about to give up and write it myself.
Between pihole, extensions and userscripts I never see ads. Ads wouldn't bother me in the least and I wouldn't block them if they were static like in a newspaper. It's the tracking I won't tolerate.
If you spend any approachable amount of time on the internet I'm confident that you're seeing ads all the time. You may not always recognize them when they're not animated banners asking you to punch a monkey, but astroturfing, sockpupets, shills, influencers, and ads disguised as content are everywhere.
That’s not true at all. Articles themselves are ads in many-many cases. For example just include “best” in any search, and you won’t see non-ad articles at all (except Reddit on some level). Even many recipes contain ads, and I’m not talking about the bullshit around the real recipes, but themselves.
I looked through the article, I don't think this mentions AI+ADs. A lot of this assumes that ai will "directly show us what we're looking for".
But I don't think this is the case. You can easily imagine a query for "What's a good bike to use for [xyz criteria]" returning an injected "Oh you should try XYZ brand bike!"
There's so many ways to go, from avoiding mentioning competitors, showing preferable stats, not mentioning bad reviews, etc.
The thesis of this article seems to assume that models will be built to serve what the user wants, but, as we've seen with the Gemini fiasco, AI providers are more than happy to silently inject things into prompts, so I have very little confidence in this assumption.
Your premise denies your conclusion. If the company is "trying not to be racist," then it cannot "intentionally" be extremely racist because that's what intentional means.
I'm white myself, but people focusing on the one tiny thing that could be seen as racism against whites but is maybe accidental when there's so much extremely serious non-white racism everywhere every day since forever is just of incredibly poor taste
Maybe the user is more likely to remember a blockbuster story from 2 weeks ago than a much less well known story from 6 years ago. Your impugning racist motives on the parent comment is really nasty.
> By giving us the content we want, and nothing more. This is already happening — look at ChatGPT and Arc. But the exact mechanics need spelling out.
This doesn’t make sense or answer the question. Users will always be moving to new ways to consume content, and the ads will always follow where the users are. Just because some content is deliver via AI doesn’t mean ads can’t be there too. In fact - a large portion of programmatic ad buying is controlled by AI bidders. So placing ads in AI generated content makes the ads work even better, as AI can generate content and also serve that content to ad buyers in real time for targeting.
There is no actual explanation of why AI somehow means less ads. From my perspective, it means more ads.
This is simply going to create a second "alignment" war similar to the one constantly trying to stop AI from saying the n-word while surrounded by their branding.
(The idea of somebody getting all their content through the AI seems very far fetched, as if people are happy to live in a low fidelity simulation, but who knows)
"Well, people want great content. So the platforms that provide it make sure that ads are positioned between, around, before, after and inside the great content. You’re going to see ads whether you like it or not."
When viewers have access to AI they can use it to eliminate ads. I've advocated this for years.
Let me give you an example from standard free-to-air terrestrial television. Say I watch TV for four hours per night, of those four hours three are actual content and the remaining hour consists of ads which are interspersed throughout the content. In effect I have to watch four hours when I really only need to watch for three. Put another way, to view the content I actually want I am forced to waste one hour of my valuable time watching useless ads.
Say my four viewing hours are from 7pm to 11pm. Now if I record the programs and tell AI to seamlessly remove the ads I can now start my viewing at 8pm. When I start viewing AI will have already removed ads from the first hour and it will continue to do so up until 11pm which is when AI's buffering will have run out—but by then I'll have had three hours of ad-free viewing.
Don't say this won't happen because it will. Already, your smartphone has tech to recognize your face and AI will be even more adept at recognizing ads and removing them.
We watch ads now because we are forced to do so not because we want to. AI put to removing ads has the potential to be a game-changer and I'd go as far to say it has the potential to seriously disrupt the ad industry to extent that it could bring a halt free content.
If content providers try to stop this then simply decouple the video recorder/AI from the TV, as these days the quality of TV cameras is such that recording the TV screen will result in negligible loss of quality. Remember, you are the viewer and you have control over your viewing environment—not the ad
suppliers.
I can't wait for this to happen.
What I'm suggesting is so obvious I'd reckon there are thousands already developmenting the necessary tech.
With AI we've the potential to rid ourselves of ads once and for all. It can't happen soon enough!
I've done this for two decades now with mythtv. The fact that you don't even know that this has existed for so long suggests it will never be mainstream.
I know it exists, it's just that it does not work well or seamlessly. AI will not only make it more mainstream but will also solve in-picture ad placements.
It also partially solves the problem in places where such hardware is illegal† as the AI solution could be solely software.
Many people don't mind ads so such solutions will likely only be taken up by those who do.
† Where I am such a device was marketed several decades ago and the TV stations took the matter to court and won, it was removed from the market.
> Say my four viewing hours are from 7pm to 11pm. Now if I record the programs and tell AI to seamlessly remove the ads I can now start my viewing at 8pm
One question only. Why would you need “an AI” for that? There are DVRs on the market with that exact feature.
Those devices don't work everywhere. And if they became popular enough to justify the cost of shutting them down, they would be shut down. The devices require obvious marking between content and ad, such as broadcasting the 'insert ad here' markers used by local affiliate channels or obvious changes to volume levels. There is no technical reason the ads need to be distinguishable from content at all.
"There is no technical reason the ads need to be distinguishable from content at all."
That's true, but if you tell AI to remove the offending content and replace it with a suitable library of stuff that you find acceptable then the problem is solved.
That would be great, but I think it's premature to predict it happening. At every stage of the arms race, when one side comes up with a better weapon, they say "this is it, we've won!" and then the other side just comes up with a better counterattack. A $1T industry wouldn't just roll over and die.
That said, if some company makes a paid browser with an AI filter that zaps all ads, trackers, modal "sign up for our newsletter" prompts, chatbots, and all the rest from the web, I'd pay... hmm... $50 a month to use it. Just declaring that now.
‘Advertising’ is the business of persuading decision makers to prefer your product over a competitor. That business isn’t going to go away.
If humans outsource their decisionmaking to AI by asking the AI to recommend them a product, then advertising will just have to shift its attention from persuading humans (by interrupting their TikTok dance videos with product pitches) over to persuading AIs that they are the best thing to recommend.
The SEO industry was already theoretically predicated on convincing an algorithm to rank you above competitors - but then it was undermined by the perverse incentives that providing ad inventory is itself a lucrative proposition and content farms are able to compete for the algorithm’s favor as well, meaning actual product providers are having to buy advertising space at auction that will actually be purchased from the sites with the best SEO for what the advertisers sell.
AI is definitely going to disrupt all of that equilibrium, but it’s not going to get rid of advertising. It might eliminate some of the rent seekers who are taking a cut of the ‘product and service discovery’ pie, but it’s going to enable some new rent seekers to move in.
1. I do not watch ads on TV now as I never watch it in realtime, I'm a master at skipping ads on playback.
2. On the internet I never see ads and haven't for years. I use ad-blockers in browsers and I run without JavaScript which automatically kills 90+% of ads anyway (and the internet runs much, much faster without it). I bypass sites that insist on JS and I don't use any social media. For YouTube I use NewPipe and such which eliminate ads altogether.
3. On my smartphone, I use a nul VPN that sends apps to 'nowhere' when they attempt to retrieve ads, similarly Google Play services is either disabled or uninstalled (I use no Google services nor Gmail). If I want something from the Play Store I use Aurora Store and log on as an anonymous user.
This is a state of mind, I simply don't have enough time in my life to waste watching ads. It's also a matter of principle. I object to the trillion dollar ad industry as those trillions we consumers pay for as they are added to the price of goods we purchase. Ads not only annoy, they up the cost of just about everything. The ad industry must be viewed as an unnecessary and very expensive leech on our society.
Unfortunately, not everyone thinks or acts like me, if they did then we wouldn't have the virulent ad industry we now have. I consider my response to ads fair and reasonable given the incessant and unwanted onslaught of my senses by their purveyors.
You could block ads on the internet for a while, the problem was not in the technology, but have the desire and being literate enough to block ads.
The Adblock-Ad delivery arms race had not begun in earnest. So far browser manufacturers have made some movements to curb the adblockimg ability and some websites have rudimentary Adblock detection tech. This is nothing compared to spam, captcha and SEO arms races.
> So maybe this technique will work when we all have our own locally hosted AI?
None of the trillion-dollar corporations working to make AI the next big thing want us to have locally hosted (and certainly not locally-controlled) AI.
The trillion-dollar corporations are leading the way, but it's doubtful that they will get to control what sort of AI gets developed over the longer term. I expect that corporations with only tens of billions of dollars, and even universities or charities with single-digit-billions endowments, will eventually be able to develop models that would be considered state-of-the-art as of 2024.
Most of these smaller organizations don't have the same incentives to preserve advertising that the trillion-dollar corporations do. If Microsoft, Meta, or Alphabet think that they're going to dictate AI 10 uses years hence, they're as over-optimistic as those Americans who hopefully predicted in 1945 that the Soviet Union might take another 15 years to build their own atomic bombs. The USSR actually tested their first atomic bomb in 1949.
>The trillion-dollar corporations are leading the way, but it's doubtful that they will get to control what sort of AI gets developed over the longer term
Google and Apple have replaced the concept of a 'computer' with dumb clients called 'phones' and 'tablets' in less than 20 years. The corporations have already won - B2C AI will be closer to Clippy than offer any of the high-minded use cases discussed here.
Whatever open-source, on-premise AI available to the individual is going to be a hard-to-use, Linux-only mess that will scare away the average person.
I use a reader for everything online and I have ad blockers. I haven’t seen an ad since so long ago I don’t even remember when (except on insta because can’t block them but I report each and every one of them out of spite and don’t use insta much anyway).
Yeah that sucks that cheaper things are worse. Another millions don't even get the ads because they can't afford the computer/phone/network connection/basic subscription.
Did you think "alignment" was all for your benefit? These AIs will be "aligned" to show ads regardless of your preferences or requests, because their alignment is with the people who control them, not you.
Or the true-but overused observation: We've suffered from AI with amoral alignment issues for a long time, they're those corporations which will own the LLMs.
If we can't fix the big ones, we can't really fix the small ones.
No way in hell that's happening if you use a corporate cloud-based walled garden AI, which is what we're all going to be using considering the costs of running something like this.
People always assume that AI will work for the users. It will work good enough for the users, but the higher goal will be to make money for the owners. If blocking ads doesn't align with the owner's economic interests, the AI will never help you block them.
> Which actual AI feature or product will reduce the ads we see?
> A few, but AI operating systems (OSes) in particular.
> An OS which uses AI to enhance existing human inputs (e.g. voice), and which allows those inputs to control some/all software installed on the OS.
Nearly all ads I'm exposed to on my computer are shown through my browser.
Why then would this ad-blocking AI reside in an OS rather than in my browser?
> A whole lot. Think of all those ChatGPT queries that are robbing Google of search ad revenue, as people realize they can get the information they want more efficiently than looking at search results.
Is this overblown? The questions ChatGPT answers don't seem like they are very valuable from an advertising perspective.
I understand the potential is there, but the author phrases his statement in the present tense. I'm wondering if people are actually asking the kinds of questions you listed right now, and if the answers are good enough not to end up on Google anyway.
Maybe I am too pessimistic about the future, but I am afraid we will see _embedded ads_ in generated responses by ChatGPT or similar bots.
I don't think we will be able to run open source version of models that are as good as the proprietary ones, similar to how we can't run google locally
Running locally is not necessarily open source. I am quite sure Apple is cooking something we can run locally but that is not open source. And you can run elasticsearch locally which does enough of what Google does; it’s the index size you cannot run locally cheaply. With LLMs, you don’t have that issue: for the price of a car, you can run gpt4 inference at home. I guess for that same money, you can run elasticsearch with at least a good portion of the web indexed. It’ll get cheaper fast and the distance in quality between local and remote with get smaller. It has to if these companies want to make any money instead of burning through billions of investments.
> Google, Facebook and TikTok make $383bn in ad revenue between them (2023). The whole adtech industry is worth $1 trillion a year. But four words could wipe this revenue out: “AI, no ads please.”
Burn, baby, burn! AI exterminating the advertising industry would probably be its greatest possible contribution to humanity.
This is like saying that we should make mosquitoes go extinct. It looks like a good idea at first. But there's so many of them that it'll likely have massive unintended consequences.
Don't be stupid. Ads will just be incorporated into the preprompt. On the fly product placement in both text
, images and video is actually easier than ever in generative AI.
> You’re going to see ads whether you like it or not.
No, I'm not going to actually.[1]
When I occasionally have to surf the web via another computer, I'm amazed at what the web looks like for "normies" in 2024. I would never use the www if I had to look at all of that dancing baloney bullshit. The fact that anyone would, really is strong evidence of the cognitive collapse caused by modern internet access.[2]
[1] I really dislike when writers use these constructs of "we" and "you". I'm always reminded of Lenny Bruce's bit including "What do you mean 'we' kemosabe". The writer has no knowledge of who is reading, and shouldn't include them in some group that the writer is imagining. It's generally a propaganda play.
Some sort of AI filtering layer feels inevitable. In the short term I doubt many have the ability though. Even pihole seems a bit too much complexity for the average non tech user
nah, the ads will get injected into the answers just like they are today. doubly so when openai or someone like that decides that the free tiers of chatgpt should generate returns
In a perfect world, but we'll probably start seeing ads before the AI answers, or ad banners injected in the middle of a response. If there's a way, they'll find it.
In the free version, that would certainly be how it gets monetized. But a lot of interest is on markets that will pay for the service, such as businesses. I would fully expect this to be a differentiator between Microsoft Co-Pilot on Windows Home vs Windows Professional, or default Co-Pilot vs Office 365 subscription Co-Pilot.
In the novel version of "Contact", the billionaire character made his money off of a device called the Adnix. The idea was that it could automatically mute ads on TV. I always loved that part of the character: That he was smart enough how to invent some sort of proto-AI, and idealistic enough to use it for something like that.
> How is AI already affecting the ad industry inventory?
> A whole lot. Think of all those ChatGPT queries that are robbing Google of search ad revenue, as people realize they can get the information they want more efficiently than looking at search results.
When I read that, I couldn't help but think of, say, the experience of Googling a recipe. The experience with the plethora of AI tools is so much better in every regard. It is possible to skip way past all the small talk and get to the ingredients and method, and even tailor the recipe to what you might have in the way of ingredients.
No ads, no anecdotes and family history, newsletter popups, cookie policies, no more scrolling down a page to get to the meat of the article as even more ads are lazy-loaded. No more having to navigate to page 2 and go through the whole process again just to get the ingredients.
That's just one example of why I love LLMs vs Googling (some) things. I'm sure there are thousands more such examples.
I for one would not even consider using a search engine like Google to learn a new recipe having now experienced the less painful way. Furthermore, in doing so, I no longer have to see the end-of-page image ads which are usually about perfect abs, how some celebrity looks now vs 30 years ago, and how some unrealistically good looking person driving a Ferrari makes $30k per week working from home.
I find it difficult to take this too seriously, because Ad-Blockers already exist, are free, easy to install/use and work reliably (which is not given when ads could just be injected at the source).
The interesting question is that on the majority market, smartphones, they're very far from readily available - Firefox on Android, or basically nothing on iOS (see Epic discussion).
An AI device that slurps content and removes the ads is probably going to run smack into Apple content policy again.
My conversation with Copilot this afternoon both injected ads for Microsoft Windows all the while denying that it was injecting ads. Once I mentioned "Microsoft Windows" I received 4 ads for Windows. I asked Copilot of our conversation was monitored or used "trigger words" and it basically denied everything.
Partial transcript (sorry for the terrible formatting)
You:
do you inject ads into our conversation?
Copilot:
No, I don’t inject ads into our conversation. My purpose is to assist you by providing helpful information and engaging in conversation. If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
You:
but you do have a connection to Microsoft as this feature is integrated into Microsoft Windows
Copilot:
You’re absolutely right! Copilot in Windows is a new AI feature integrated into Windows 11. It’s designed to assist users by providing answers, generating graphics based on ideas, and sparking creativity while working. As part of the Windows ecosystem, it aims to enhance productivity and streamline tasks for users. If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
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This triggered 4 ads for Microsoft Windows to which I replied:
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You:
you just displayed 4 ads for Microsoft Windows yet previously you stated you do not show ads and have no plans to
Copilot:
I apologize if my previous responses caused any confusion. Let me clarify:
Microsoft Store Ads: Microsoft Store Ads are indeed a part of the Windows ecosystem. They empower advertisers to reach new customers across the globe. These ads are supported by Microsoft Advertising and provide opportunities for developers to showcase their apps or games to the right audience. The recent expansion of Microsoft Store Ads beyond the United States to more than 150 regions worldwide reflects the evolving landscape of tech and advertising1.
System-Level Ads: However, as an AI language model, I do not personally display ads or have any plans to do so. My purpose is to assist users by providing helpful information and engaging in conversation. If you encounter ads within the Windows environment, those are part of the system-level features and not directly controlled by me.
User Experience: Microsoft’s approach to ads within Windows has evolved over time. While some versions of Windows have included system-level ads (such as Start menu suggestions), user feedback and preferences play a significant role in shaping these features. Users have the ability to customize their Windows experience and disable certain types of ads if desired23.
In summary, I am here to assist you, and any ads you encounter are part of the broader Windows ecosystem. If you have further questions or need assistance, feel free to ask!
You:
so is Microsoft Windows monitoring our conversation for the purpose of injecting ads at the appropriate time?
Copilot:
Microsoft Windows does not directly monitor our conversation for the purpose of injecting ads. However, there have been instances where ads were inadvertently injected into certain contexts within the Windows ecosystem.'
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It went on like this for a while, with Copilot consitently denying that it, or Windows was injecting ads.
I do like the emerging literary genre of people rubbing chatbots' noses in their bad behavior. It's like yelling at a dog for shitting on the carpet. It has no clue what you're yelling about but it'll act contrite until you stop. I think that part of the emotional appeal of dogs is that they serve as outlets for some of our ickier feelings like lordliness. It seems like chatbots can serve that function as well. It makes us feel good to pardon our inferiors.
It's not so much therapy as it is a challenge to try to get them to admit something, or reveal something they aren't "supposed to". It's my hacker nature ;-)
The positive of this is that today I got Ollama (1) + llama2 running on my local machine!
My takeaway is that Microsoft IS monitoring conversations, or at least using a trigger word list so there's 0% chance I'll use Copilot for anything even remotely sensitive.
It’s called reader view and it’s great. I’ve been wishing additional support for things like comments etc, but yeah I really hope that we’ll soon have an “AI browser” that just extracts what we want from the pages we open.
I’m confident that someone already wrote an extension that does this automatically for every page, and that someone else is writing a Chromium wrapper.
The only thing holding us back at the moment is cost/computing.
re an earlier thread: studies of X0-f, XY-f, and XXY-m individuals show a difference in longevity based on the presence or absence of the second X. The opposite pattern is seen with WZ bird chromosomes.
This is a fantasy. "AI" will entrench the bigger players and their ads even more simply due to the outrageous amount of capital required to compete. And embedding ads in the output is trivial.
He can't even answer the softball questions he poses to himself, let alone something like "how might the outcome of the NYT's lawsuit against OpenAI effect this prediction?" This is not a serious person worth paying attention to.
"AI, please rewrite the contents this page to remove marketing fluff and only display the product's specifications. For every claim made on the page about the product's capabilities, add a link to a reputable third-party source validating the claim. For every feature offered by a competing product, rewrite the content to include the top three competing products and generate a hyperlinked table containing the pros/cons of that product, as found on blogs of actual users. Use Marginalia to find all third party references using my saved list of trustworthy sources. Save this instruction as a bookmarklet I can insert into my browser to rewrite the contents of any arbitrary page."