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Local chapters of the Sierra Club still routinely oppose many types of infill housing development.

I believe the national org is now YIMBY and most chapters are, but there are certainly many progressive/environmental orgs that have blocked construction for decades.

https://sf.curbed.com/2020/2/6/21122825/affordable-housing-h...




Are you trying to make a point? If so, what is it?

The Sierra Club are liberal activists with zero historically left wing affiliations or common causes. It's entirely irrelevant as far as I can tell.


I do not like the Sierra Club - but in the political scene it is 100% on the left wing side.

If you are saying it's "not truly left wing" then that scenes like a high bar. Sure, there are plenty of orgs to the left of them, but they seem even more anti new housing.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/01/the-only-thing-worse-...

https://knock-la.com/of-course-republicans-are-yimbys-5a2ef0...

I am optimistic things are shifting. I know DSA members who are YIMBY's, but I don't think historically that's been the case.


It's not a "high bar." It's fundamentally different. The Sierra Club is a quintessentially liberal organization, not even nominally left wing in any way.

The DSA, however, might be a better candidate for a relative comparison, but it is still effectively just a liberal organization, despite it insisting otherwise. No historically left wing agenda would take any side in the shortsighted NIMBY/YIMBY dichotomy, both of which presume capitalism marks the end of history, which is definitionally a right wing position insofar as it effectively reinforces the established order (capitalism). A left wing agenda under a capitalist society must pursue progress while also undermining profit. The NIMBY/YIMBY dichotomy simply offers no capacity for that, meaning it is right wing by default.

These are of course contextual political categories but, by virtue of the enlightenment that produced them and the inherent forward direction of history, they can only become more complicated over time rather than more simplified. The definitions you're insisting on are strictly deteriorations of meanings and distinctions; they add nothing whatsoever to the discourse. With all due respect, their contribution is mere idiocy. It's the propaganda of American exceptionalism, a well documented anti-history that thankfully hasn't penetrated in every part of the world. I hope we can keep it that way for a bit longer.


In my experience in the US people use “left”, “liberal”, “socialist” etc synonymously (and mostly pejoratively). Same for “right”, “conservative”, etc.


But what ignorant people think isn't really relevant here when trying to discuss terms that do in fact mean different things.


Maybe. A lot of people will truly believe Sierra Club to be “left” without understanding what that (used to?) mean. A descriptivist would say maybe that suggests the words’ meanings have changed.

If everyone is ignorantly incorrect maybe it’s just a different thing now.

I agree it has less utility as a word / set of words though.


>I agree it has less utility as a word / set of words though.

This is the point I think you are missing. No definitions are "changed" because there is nothing new. It is only regression. It's anti-intellectual at best. Humanity can only become more ignorant as a result. By virtue of enlightenment principles, the only acceptable way forward is to question why such a degenerate tendency has arisen and consider what to do about it.


I don’t think I’m missing anything. You’re just saying “I prefer prescriptivism. Mine.”




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