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'Sex-espionage' as a method of intelligence and security agencies [pdf] (core.ac.uk)
34 points by wslh on Feb 8, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 11 comments



This is major theme of the movie The Interview: "honeypotting"


The paper also connects this with other activities like deliberately sabotaging the social order of a country.

Can you really have a civilized world when ethics are thrown out the window in service of national security interests? I would argue that in a certain technical sense we absolutely do not have that. And it seems that this lack of civility makes large scale warfare more likely.


I'd rather intelligence agencies spent their time fucking instead of killing, I guess. You're describing an ideal that has not been realized historically, so while I agree, I also completely understand the fact that tradecraft tends to the practical.


> You're describing an ideal that has not been realized historically

As a counterpoint, it seems much of this has been seeded into US business practises:

https://archive.org/details/SimpleSabotageFieldManual/page/n...

Under "General Interference with Organizations and Production", most should seem very familiar.


Seems like sex-espionage might go a long way to explaining the strange behaviors of many members of Congress, such as voting against the express interests of their constituents. You'd think they would be closely monitored for this, but then how did Trump ever get a security clearance given his business history? (Not paying contractors for example, as widely reported.) Perhaps those at the top have arranged it that they are trusted while the ordinary rank and file are more closely scrutinized. Yet there are ethics committees, and the occasional prosecution of a representative or senator. Not much sex-espionage has come to light though, even though these are the people most likely to be targetted by it. You don't hear much about it in business either. Maybe discovering it is difficult because the compromised person works hard to cover it up.


(2014)


> The training sought to free them of any shyness and restraint, practically teaching them sex techniques, lesbian and heterosexual orgies, showing them perverse pornographic material, etc. ‘Practical instruction’ was filmed and subsequently analysed in detail. The girls were allegedly/reportedly able and willing to perform any task

Lol. Is this the KGB, or a west coast public school?

> As regards personal characteristics, persons regarded to be particularly ‘vulnerable’ include single men and women, widows and widowers, divorcees, people in unstable marriages or love relationships, persons who know or suspect that their spouses have affairs, persons who have recently experienced family tragedies, persons in emotional anguish due to a recent breakup, persons who have had no love relationship for a long time, victims of violence at workplace and persons dissatisfied with their job (because of absence of possibilities for promotion, unjustifiable punishment, professional neglect and discrimination, workplace inadequate with respect to qualifications, denial of professional development, etc.), adventurous or promiscuous persons, etc.

It was hilarious when employees with clearances showed up in the Ashley Madison dump.

Then, we had the Chinese trying to buy Grindr. Hmm.

Porn sites are starting to collect IDs for users, to "verify" them. Go on, give FetLife your ID and your phone number. You've already compiled a dossier on the dirty, shameful things you like done to yourself. You want to be exposed. It feels so good to be verified, to feel so sexy wearing nothing but your blue checkmark. Losing your family and career and getting charged with treason turns you on. You've always wanted to go to federal prison. In there, you know you'll be the belle of the ball...and you'll be the queen of them all.

The internet is not a safe space, people. It is a theater of warfare. Stop telling ChatGPT and random sysops your deepest, darkest fantasies. Everything is for sale.

> A situation in which the operative or the service agent are good-looking, while the ‘targeted’ person cannot boast of good looks would be suspicious and the opposite situation would also be less likely in the real life.

Sadly, "any woman who expresses interest in me must be a spy" makes for a lonely life.

> After the introduction, the operative or service agent aims to socialize with the person who possesses intelligence information in order to elicit sympathy and establish an emotional and later sexual relationship with the person. Collecting intelligence information should wait until trust is established. Most frequently, the operative or secret agent will collect intelligence skilfully and covertly, so that the person who possesses them will not doubt for a moment (going through personal belongings and documents, searching computers, wiretapping, seemingly casual conversation, etc.). Less frequently, in situations of great trust and strong emotional relationships, the operative or service agent will reveal his/her identity and openly seek intelligence information. It is then possible to provide better quality and quantity of intelligence information for the intelligence service because the operatives or the service agents continuously and competently instruct the persons to obtain the intelligence information more efficiently.

Women already do this stuff. There are threads on lolcow.farm about the lengths some will go to to snoop through your shit, looking for leverage to humiliate or dump you later. Same deal-- going through your phone while you're asleep, looking at your browser history, messages, even checking the most recent string copied to your clipboard.

Spycraft, brought to you by radical feminism. It's not sextortion or domestic violence. It's safety.

> Besides, homosexual espionage is usually almost certain to be efficient in such an ambience, even more so if the person who is the source of intelligence information is married or in a high social, political or institutional position.

This one is fun. I had a case of insinuated espionage just the other day. A traveling ex-military engineer was at a bar drinking with some local soldiers. He meets a "gentleman with a normal accent" who approached him and was "interested in his work" or someshit as though there was personal familiarity and doesn't remember anything after that. He had just been read into to a top-secret project days earlier.

He failed to show up for work, and his account of events started with him encountering a stranger the night before and waking up the next morning. Everyone else took him at face value but I inferred that he awoke somewhere other than his own hotel room. I get the impression he got caught in another dude's bed when he was too hungover to make an early shift. He called out sick and spent the rest of the day napping.

Nothing he said could be substantiated and he isn't cooperating in securing evidence. No police report, no rape kit, no medical exam for concussion or drug testing, nothing stolen, etc. He just claims he doesn't remember shit. The only evidence that does exist from that night (CCTV tapes) will soon be erased because of his inaction. Hmm.

But it shows the tapestries people will weave to obfuscate their own stupidity. If this was espionage, we'll never know, but more likely to avoid owning the consequences for drinking too much, he told a vague lie that may well have exposed another (bicurious infidelity) and now he has two federal agencies looking into him.

Own your mistakes. Early disclosure is honorable. Getting caught is shameful.

> when their ‘cover is blown’ they cleverly deny their real status, seeking to strengthen the shaken trust.

Few things are more aggravating than having gone to the trouble of obtaining irrefutable evidence of something, confronting them with it and having to listen to them continue to deny it. There's nothing clever about it. It's just garden-variety gaslighting.


Isnt that normal? Dont victims of scams typically deny that they happened?


Yeah, but once security clearances are involved, you take on reporting obligations for compromising situations. Being coy isn't really an option.

Given his verbiage, this might not actually be reportable (strange man asking about nonspecific "work," and not a foreigner). But he told this story to the client and they freaked out.


> He just claims he doesn't remember shit.

Spiked drink maybe?


That's what he insinuated. He never suggested it himself, but that was my initial thought too.

It'd be easy to prove...by looking at the security tapes that nobody is preserving because he won't file a police report.




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