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It's very telling who has had to actually support prod systems and who hasn't when it comes to this topic. Very often the only interface we used to have before better CI/CD pipelines and idempotence was a serial tty or ssh connection. There were a lot of sysadmins run off in the 00s (for various reasons such as increasing salaries) and a lot of institutional knowledge about real operations such as this was lost or diluted.

Another reason why I like to encourage people to not customize their vim/emacs too much (at least for the first year or so of learning) - because when it's 0300 and prod is down you don't want to fight your tools to match your expectation. Another example while HN loves to hate on bash, but I love and live in bash.

The names and titles have changed, but I still see the same dev/ops battles.



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