I’m generally in that camp too but there are cases where there’s no question of culpability or reform, and that’s where I’m the least inclined to argue against deterrence. I think people overstate that in general because a lot of crimes are impulse, but this kind of stuff is carefully planned over many years and I think if there is a deterrent effect you’d find it strongest there.

I’m not enthusiastic about that and would be fine jailing these guys for life, but if it’s something the state does I want guys in expensive suits to know it’s not just poor people.