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The evolution of the On/Off power switch symbol (2008) (nzeldes.com)
61 points by weird_user on Dec 12, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 62 comments



No, the one-inside-a-circle symbol does not indicate a toggle between off and on, as this article "surmises".

Instead, it indicates stands by. This is off, but not fully off as a circle would suggest. It's nearly on. The symbol is great for that.

On a push button it means activate stand by or come back out of it (i.e., turn back on fully). Still fair enough.

Unfortunately, this knowledge has watered down over time. I've seen that symbol used more than once for a button that only turns on a device (never back to stand by). That's pretty much the opposite of its original meaning.


> No, the one-inside-a-circle symbol does not indicate a toggle between off and on, as this article "surmises".

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol#Standards, "one inside a circle", IEC 60417-5010, is a fully-on/fully-off toggle. The "one breaking a circle" symbol, IEC 60417-5009, is a fully-on/standby toggle.


Agreed but the "one breaking a circle" stand by symbol, IEC 60417-5009, is what the article seemed to be referring to by "one inside a circle", given the pictures shown. I just copied their imprecise description.


I'm glad you clarified. The symbol has always represented an open 'O' vs closed '|' circuit to me (never bothering to look at the standards). The fully inside vs breaking is still fitting in that context.


Ah, I see now, thank you.


This makes ⏻ even more appropriate as a fashionable T-shirt design, since I too only toggle between an on and sleep state, and never* fully power off.


Eventually we all become the O.


Yeah, but we hardly ever toggle back on.


Interesting! Per your Wikipedia link… there was an early ‘00s proposal for a dedicated sleep symbol: line through a crescent moon. Same proposal would have defined line-through-circle as the generic power symbol. Though, this was superseded with standard for using only a crescent moon to indicate standby.

“Standby symbol ambiguity

Because the exact meaning of the standby symbol on a given device may be unclear until the control is tried, it has been proposed that a separate sleep symbol, a crescent moon, instead be used to indicate a low power state. Proponents include the California Energy Commission and the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Under this proposal, the older standby symbol would be redefined as a generic "power" indication, in cases where the difference between it and the other power symbols would not present a safety concern. This alternative symbolism was published as IEEE standard 1621 on December 8, 2004.”

Edit: formatting, verbosity.


there was an early ‘00s proposal for a dedicated sleep symbol: line through a crescent moon

This may have been avoided owing to strong potential of religious misinterpretation.


I don't think I've ever seen the ⏼ symbol, only ⏻, but maybe I'm weird.


Interesting. I remember when that symbol was first getting used, but I don't remember anyone ever explaining that until you just did now. To me, it always meant "on/off" (counting "standby" as "off"). I thought it was just an artistic way of taking the "1" and "0" that was often used on power toggle switches and combining them into a single symbol for a single pushbutton (the "1" is inside the stylized "0").


Exactly, there's even standards[0] for this.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol#Standards


Indeed, and even in 2008 when this article was written Wikipedia had this explanation

> IEC 5009, the standby symbol (line partially within a broken circle), indicates a sleep mode or low power state. The switch does not fully disconnect the device from its power supply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Power_symbol&oldi...


I think it’s mostly true for modern usage. Powering off a laptop doesn’t fully disconnect power, because the power button is not a true switch but just signals to some power management hardware which is ALWAYS on as long as there is battery charge or plug power — it catches the signal from the “power” button and executes a true power switches to start the computer boot cycle.


The 1/0 thing confused me for a while because 0 looks like a circuit (on), and 1 doesn't (0ff). I was also taking electrical engineering classes at the time, and the 1/0 true/false thing was already halfway arbitrary because of active-low pins, and even in software land, "return 0" could mean either true or false depending on the context.


I agree that I/O has always been confusing and non-intuitive. O stands for "On"? For "Off"? I means eyes-shut? O means eyes open?

The new symbols aren't any better but the UX of "push this button to turn on or off" combined with obvious lights/etc when something is on has mostly made the semantic meaning of the symbols obsolete to 99% of consumers.


I've always seen it as I/O and thought of it as In and Out - makes sense to me but English is not my native language.


That confused me as well, I never made the connection to 0 and 1 until someone told me


I always assumed it was an abstract representation of a rotary switch like:

https://images.app.goo.gl/MQ81XWMZP2dgqkjN7


Also, a perfect circle would almost never strike me as a zero.


The difference between perfect circle, 'o', 'O' and '0' is contextual, since the shape of all four of them is approximately the same. On their own, the characters themselves are often ambiguous in print, and totally ambiguous in handwriting.


When I was a kid, we had an old manual typewriter, from the '40s or early '50s. It had no zero key -- you were meant to use an uppercase O for a zero.


And it is now in Unicode thanks (in part) to HN.

https://unicodepowersymbol.com/we-did-it-how-a-comment-on-ha...


There is an exhibit right now at the Cooper Hewitt Design Museum in NYC about the work of Henry Dreyfuss did with his Symbol Sourcebook (https://www.cooperhewitt.org/channel/give-me-a-sign/) which heavily influenced the design of most symbols we use today, including this one.

You can view most of the exhibit online: https://collection.cooperhewitt.org/exhibitions/2318807647/

Worth taking a look!


There are other, sometimes contradictory conventions.

In the USA, a standard wall switch is moved "up" for on and "down" for off whereas in Europe it's the opposite. Always wondered how that came to be.


Then there's standard walls switch in Europe, which works whichever way the electrician happened to wire it. And then, existence of "stair switches"[0] means you can't ever rely on directionality being consistent.

Now, let's talk about water faucets and which side is hot, and which one is cold...

--

[0] - Don't know what the formal way for these are; I'm thinking of two switches hooked up in a XOR pattern to the same light - i.e. light turns on when the switches are in opposite positions, and off if they're in the same position.


> Don't know what the formal way for these are

These are called "three-way switches" in the US.


Oddly named, as they only have two switches in the circuit.


They're called "three-way" because there are three elements to the circuits they're used in: two switches and a load.

...or so I was taught, but that explanation always seemed a little dubious to me.


I thought three-way was for three possible states: up/down, down/up, or down/down(up/up). Switch 1 up, switch 2 down, etc.


(US here) -- I remember to install light switches so that the up position is "on" because of a faulty light switch I had decades ago -- the spring holding the position was broken so that, over time, gravity would eventually make it fall to the lower position.

Having the lower position be "off" seems like a good failsafe for that sort of thing. I don't know if that's why the convention, but it is the mechanism that I use to remember what the convention is.


I've noticed that lots of appliances now use the On/Off power symbol to mean start/stop the appliance, not cutting off power.

Stuff like coffee makers etc. It's weird.


I have actually seen the diamond "start" symbol [0] on ONE consumer-ish appliance! It was an office coffee machine at my old job, big green membrane IEC start button.

These symbols are ubiquitous on industrial kit (and in your car, surprisingly enough), it's kind of a shame they are barely used at all else where. There's a pretty wide vocabulary of symbols.

[0] https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5104



Photocopiers? Yeah, I saw that symbol on some of them. But then even some of the image results show that manufacturers of photocopiers and printers, particularly targeting general consumer market, let their designers get creative with the shapes, colors and labels on the buttons.


A bit snarky, but yes, I've used a photocopier. I guess the shape of the symbol of the start button on the photocopiers I used slipped my mind.


I always thought that was a quirk of photocopier manufacturers. It stuck in my mind because the symbol makes no sense to me.

I didn't realize it was an actual standard. Still doesn't mean the symbol makes any sense, but hey, at least it's a standard.


The one I REALLY HATE is the paper orientation icon on printer paper trays. Ones like these:

https://static.thenounproject.com/png/4256363-200.png

Do the lines on the paper mean

"insert the side that already has writing face up, and the side that is blank face down"

OR

"these lines represent what will happen after you print but they're just being represented here for your imagination purposes even though they aren't there yet so you should really put the blank side up even though we are drawing lines on the up side"


Oh, printers, inexhaustible source of fun.

My approach for over a decade now has been, before any "manual duplex" printing, to start by marking the top page in the tray with a little arrow pointing upwards, drawn with pencil or pen, in the bottom right corner of the page. I'd then print one page (and/or print a test page), and check the position of the arrow, to learn how the particular printer behaves.

To date, I've probably seen every possible orientation of the arrow on the output. Some printers do insane things to paper.


Likewise the indication (if any) on a sheet-fed scanner tray that tells you whether to put the paper in face up or face down.

I've taken to just writing instructions to myself on that type of thing with a sharpie, using actual text, and/or an actual diagram. It works well with the usual beige plastic. If it's black, I usually put it on a small piece of paper and tape it somewhere it won't interfere with the operation.

Not everything has to be an icon. IMO, bad icons are far worse than no icons.


> bad icons are far worse than no icons

Yes. Cars used to have words like "OIL" or "TEMP" or "BRAKE" or "SEAT BELT" in the dashboad warning lights. That switched to icons, probably as a cost-savings so they could use the same parts worldwide. But at a cost in clarity.

Now that most new car dashboards have programmable LCD displays or at least a message area, better/more descriptive fault descriptions have returned.


They also picked really bad designs for the icons. The flat tire warning looks like a boiling cauldron. Even I could have designed a 10X better icon.


I’ve always thought it looked… well, obscene.


>"insert the side that already has writing face up, and the side that is blank face down"

More odd that it would be on a printer, but for a scanner, it is telling you that it will scan the side that is face up. For a printer, I'd be willing to be that icon is telling you that it is going to print on the face-up side.


on that note Google Meet is also confusing in a similar way

https://i.imgur.com/H66aXTU.png

The "phone down hang up" button means press to get what is pictured

The "crossed out mic" button means press to get the opposite of what is pictured


I think it's pretty clear, the fold indicates what should be the top side of the page, and the lines indicate it wants printed side up.


> what it wants printed

That's the part that isn't clear. How do I know that the lines don't indicate "what is already printed" and the blank side indicates "the blank canvas that it wants as input"?


If you put the printed side up, the next print will be superimposed and make gibberish.


No discussion about use of 0/1 for power switches is complete without mention of the original IBM 5150 (original PC) power switch, which is the first place I ever remember seeing the "binary" 0/1 used to mean "power on / power off" on electronics.


We should probably add a (2008) to the submission title on this.


There are challenges inherent in creating a set of visual symbols to communicate. We have crossed that bridge before and we call them "words".

I wish designers might fall back on that more for ease of use instead of creating generation after generation of arcane, fleetingly extant symbols.


This button instills in me a profound sense of joy. Throughout my life, the press of this button has unveiled curiosity, learning, and wonder.


The bus I take to work has their air vents labeled backwards ⭘ for on/open ⏽ for off/shut


That sort of makes sense if you interpret it as circle/line and not 0/1. A circle for an open vent and a line for a closed vent.

That's still dumb though. Why not use the universal bacon/no bacon icons?


I always thought it was a bad visual metaphor for open vs closed circuit


Yeah. I kind of associated I as a continuous line and O a loop which never works (something like infinite loop).

But not he says it conveys 1 and 0... so simple... true or false. That would have been easier on my brains :)


the O was confusing but later the I crossing the O was kinda like a gate to me

it's funny to realize that nobody had the same interpretation of this ubiquitous thing


Am I the only one who can still never remember which one is which?


Well I mastered the practice a while ago.

But here you are: cast them to booleans. 1/0 -> true/false


Got through all of them... definitly an 80s born... XD


Tldr: the author failed to read the wiki article explaining what the power symbols mean




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