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Man protests airport security - naked (komonews.com)
84 points by pwg on April 19, 2012 | hide | past | favorite | 32 comments



It's pretty strange to me that the very act of non-lascivious public nudity would be illegal. In more liberal parts of the world(and I would've guessed Portland), this sort of protest is considered protected speech.


Yes, in Portland this probably should be protected, see http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2008/nude-bike-riding-protec..., for instance.

The relevant bit there:

We read the challenged ordinance as focusing on the goal of regulating conduct which the city council has determined to be injurious to health, safety and morals, i.e., the prohibition of public nudity or indecent exposure not intended as a protected symbolic or communicative act. Id. at 82.

In other words, the court specifically acknowledged an exception to the ordinance in order to protect symbolic or communicative acts (the other alternative would have been to declare the entire ordinance unconstitutional, as it's fairly well established that no-exception bans on public nudity violate the first amendment), which this clearly was, so he should be fine.

Of course, all bets are off since this happened in an airport, because terrorism.


I've never understood what the idea is there, why would seeing a naked person be so damaging to children? It just seems so ridiculous. What's supposed to happen to a child that sees nudity? Around here, kids see naked people all the time (for example in the changing rooms of public swimming pools).


Exactly!

I think might even be bad for children NOT to see naked people. It could indeed have a bad effect on them, I think, e.g. cause self-confidence issues when they grow up, because they wouldn't know what things are going to be like, if it's normal etc. Moreover, it allows for creation of totally unrealistic, photoshopped beauty ideals, because children/teens see (nearly) naked people mostly in some kind of highly altered adverts. Seeing the real thing brings them down to earth...


> Around here, kids see naked people all the time (for example in the changing rooms of public swimming pools).

This happens in locker rooms here as well. How else do you change out of your swimming trunks?


Wrap towel around waist. Remove swimming trunks. Don pants. Remove towel.


Indeed. Police don't seem to have a problem when animal rights activists protest fur by going around naked.


Well, good for him. I hope he has the presence of mind to send a statement out, because this article makes him sound crazy rather than fed up with ineffective, privacy-invading bullshit and brave enough to get arrested naked in an airport for his beliefs.


Somebody had to. I wonder how people think it's acceptable for the TSA to take naked scans of their children, yet if someone strips naked they close the children's eyes...


You are comparing two very different things here (can TSA agents see children naked vs. can children see naked people.) The first could at worst encourage pedophile TSA agents to do certain things, while the second could at worst encourage children to do certain things. One could have a different opinion on the severity of each of these actions based on their belief in the behavior caused by seeing naked people in each of these contexts.


This is true, I just consider someone seeing you naked when you don't want to much, much worse than you getting naked if you want. I have no problem with the human form, I have a problem with coercion.


"He works for a computer company in California. He does something with the Internet". Now I want to know what company!


Full quote:

"This is quite a shock. He hasn't been under any stress that I know of. He's never really under any stress. He works for a computer company in California. He does something with the Internet, which is just kind of mystical to me. This is quite a surprise"

It's no surprise to me that he "does something with the internet". Who else would protest TSA procedures by walking through naked?


I've felt like that at times but I think it's important to be unbiased. We're not the only people who give a shit.


Note also the beard.


Ten bucks says he's a sysadmin.



There's no need to publicly identify him.

edit: Sorry, you're right. I somehow missed that in the article. I fully agree with you that he deserves to be supported, but regardless of his profession. If his actions get linked to his employer somehow, it could have a negative outcome on his career.


The article already did. I think it's useful to support the guy, as someone who agrees with him, by cheering this as the actions of a real person that should be a source of pride, and not pretending that this is some embarrassment that should be hidden. We shape the culture, expectations and the power individuals feel to speak and to challenge authority with how we react to stories like this. I deliberately applaud @CrimsonJohn for his actions. I don't think they were wrong or shameful, or should be seen as such, and I won't pretend that they were.

His father was willing to go on the record questioning his son's sanity and trivializing the stresses of his son's life. The tech community can do better for one of our own than that.


If he's only going to face local charges, it's probably better for him that he got arrested on indecent exposure in Oregon instead of California.


1. Submit to the potentially harmful government scanner that takes pictures of you nude.

2. Submit to having your privates groped by an agent of the state.

3. Go through security fully nude.

Sadly #3 may actually be the least offensive option.


The last time I refused the full-body scanner, I was taken off to the side for the pat down and was asked, "Do you want to do this behind a screen?" My response was, "Why, are you going to take my clothes off?" The TSA officer became a bit indignant and said, "No, we don't do things like that!" I was then fondled in a way that was jarring, to say the least.

"Good for him" is an understatement.


Here's how I want air travel to work. I'm in the Seattle area. Suppose I need to go to San Francisco for a couple days.

1. I go online, and book my flight and my hotel.

2. The night before my flight, I set out all the items I wish to take with me.

3. I take a sleeping pill and go to sleep.

4. People from the airline come and transport me (still sleeping!) to the airport. They also take the stuff I set out.

5. I and all the other passengers are packed onto the flight. The only non-sleeping people are the flight crew, and medical technicians who monitor us, and make sure we are kept sleeping.

6. At the destination, passengers are delivered to their hotels, put into bed, their luggage is unpacked, and they are administered something to counteract the sleeping drugs.

So, from my point of view, I go to sleep in my bed in the Seattle area, the night before I need to be in San Francisco, and I then wake up the next morning in bed in my hotel in San Francisco. It would be like my bed has become a magical teleporter.

No security hassle. No airport to traffic to deal with. For those who fear flying, less to fear.

Yes, I know this isn't practical.


This only works for north-south flights with no timezone changes.


Only works if you're named Tyler Durden.


"Tales of Airport Security" is one of my favorite parts of Le Show - though the stories are typically sent in by listeners regarding their first-hand accounts of TSA ineptitude, I could see Shearer delivering this one himself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Show#News_segments


That's quite a view from security. In the major airports I've gone through recently I don't remember shops being visible. It should make it harder for misconduct by the authorities to go unnoticed.


I did once go topless at the airport, figuring it should help the TSA scanners not miss anything, but the look from the TSA agent convinced me to put back my thirt in a hurry.


I'll pledge $20 to his legal defense fund.


The powers that be are one step ahead of him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual-Predator_Law He most likely ruined his life. (In some cases they have charged teens for having naked pictures of themselves!)

He might try use free speech as defense, trying to make a point by radical action (INAL)


According to the article he was charged with "...disorderly conduct and indecent exposure." not any sort of sex crime. Has that changed?


I don't know about Oregon, but public nudity, streaking, etc does get you on the list in some places. It's crazy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender_registration#Appli...




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