And replacing battery after seven or three years is not much difference. Rugged truck like that, should last 30 years with basic maintenance! This car is not even serviceable!!!
Why do Rivian batteries degrade so much more quickly than other manufacturers'? 1500 cycles is fine with a Tesla, IIRC something like 10% degradation on average (and for most people 1500 cycles takes way more than 3 years! You'd have to drive >100k miles per year to hit that! I imagine most Rivians are driving 10x less than that)
Rivian battery warranty. If you actually use this as a truck, as an off road SUV, or as a farm tractor, haul heavy stuff, pull out tree stumps... It will complete a few full charging cycles every day. Battery will degrade fast. It does so on mobile phones, cars are no different! It is a good idea to have it replaced before warranty runs out.
> 8-year or 150,000-mile
> The high-voltage battery pack capacity naturally decreases over time with use. This expected gradual capacity
loss over time is not covered under the Battery Pack Limited Warranty. However, greater than expected
degradation is covered under the Battery Pack Limited Warranty. The warranty will cover a battery pack that
loses 30% or more of its normal minimum usable rated capacity within the warranty period.
Do you really replace your car engine and transmission before the warranty runs out? You're constructing arguments that literally makes no sense. The battery in your phone isn't comparable to the one in an BEV. If that was true your phone would have a fully working battery ten years later, just with slightly lower capacity. Not one that dies because you open a webpage with a too many moving elements, so battery voltage drops and it turns off.
All that said - I don't think a truck like the Rivian R1T makes any sense. For the same reason that I don't think most trucks make any sense. They're just penis extensions that have little to no utility for a vast majority of people that buy them. But since we're OK with that for regular trucks, I think we should be OK with that for the battery electric version too. Lets at least be consistent.
> Do you really replace your car engine and transmission before the warranty runs out?
I try! A few months before warranty runs out, it gets full inspection, and I claim every part that acts funky! It is a free money!
> If that was true your phone would have a fully working battery ten years later,
What exactly is the difference? If anything phone batteries are way more expensive and sophisticated!
R1T can tow 100 miles on single charge. That is 1500 battery cycles within 150k miles warranty, or 3000 cycles if you do that daily for 8 years!
> just penxs extensions that have little to no utility for a vast majority of people that buy them
I actually want to use this as a truck. It should be soo much better, new revolutionary technology...
You claim that thing is useless "penxs extension", yet somehow manufacturer does not lie about its numbers!
> But since we're OK with that for regular trucks
OK, let's ban useless extensions. Why should people who actually need proper truck for work, pay fines and sponsor people, who buy useless EV penxs extensions?
> I try! A few months before warranty runs out, it gets full inspection, and I claim every part that acts funky! It is a free money!
That's not what you claimed. This is clearly something that everyone that own a vehicle should do, and probably do. Obviously it makes a lot of more sense to do on a combustion engine that has literally thousands of moving parts that easily can ruin an engine. But any sensible person will service their car before warranty runs out.
> What exactly is the difference? If anything phone batteries are way more expensive and sophisticated!
I don't know where to even start. How does my example prove that they're more expensive and sophisticated? They fail to deliver enough power to the CPU so it crashes. So they have to clock the CPU down so the battery is able to deliver enough power.
> R1T can tow 100 miles on single charge. That is 1500 battery cycles within 150k miles warranty, or 3000 cycles if you do that daily for 8 years!
This argument makes no sense. You're constructing a edge case that doens't fit with reality. Show me a truck with a combustion engine that hauls max load all day, every day, for 150k miles without significant service requirement, to the tune that cost vastly more than a simple battery replacement.
> I actually want to use this as a truck. It should be soo much better, new revolutionary technology...
Then buy a truck that fits your needs. It's that simple.
> You claim that thing is useless "penxs extension", yet somehow manufacturer does not lie about its numbers!
I don't understand what or who is lying. Even most truckers will admit that most people that own a truck don't really use it as it was intended. The vast majority of trucks on the road has never had anything in their truck bed that couldn't fit in a Fiat Punto. I'm not going to stop you from getting a truck. Be that electric or combustion. I just want you to be consistent.
> OK, let's ban useless extensions. Why should people who actually need proper truck for work, pay fines and sponsor people, who buy useless EV penxs extensions?
Huh? I never made any argument like that. And it's okey, you're allowed to say penis[0].
> It does so on mobile phones, cars are no different!
Cars are very different. They have much more aggressive battery management and use active temperature control. Phones are assumed to be obsolete in 3 years due to software anyway so they run the batteries much harder.
And replacing battery after seven or three years is not much difference. Rugged truck like that, should last 30 years with basic maintenance! This car is not even serviceable!!!
It is the smugg greenwashing people hate!