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My brother has it. Persistently elevated heart rate and breathing issues, to the point that walking up a flight of stairs would leave him winded when he was suffering the worst. I believe he's gotten a bit better since, but not fully recovered.

His resting heart rate is up 20bpm, and it can take 10-15 minutes after exerting himself for it to return to that new normal. He's almost certainly at risk for a stroke due to whatever caused the change, and it left him more susceptible to being sick- he's gotten COVID 3 times despite the vaccines, while the rest of his family has only had it once or twice, on top of the usual flu and colds going around that his kids bring home from school.

Edit: noting the sibling comment, he also had no confounding factors, aside from being slightly overweight. Even our elderly parents have gotten COVID with no lingering symptoms.




I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying it's a lot, lot rarer than the COVID alarmists seem to think.

People also get post viral fatigue from other virii.


I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I have no doubt we're going to see fewer people seeking a fibromyalgia diagnosis over the next decade.

There are certainly post viral complications like ards but we already have names for those things.


To be clear, you’re saying it’s a lot, lot rarer than Covid alarmists think… because you don’t personally know anyone with it?


It's not the scientific method but if something is very common, and I have several hundred friends, relatives and work colleagues of various backgrounds and states of health then I should have heard of someone experiencing it, no?

I've seen no evidence on this thread that proves it's super-common so apart from funding my own research project, what do you suggest?


Well, of the ten people I know who have gotten COVID, one has long COVID. That makes my anecdatum a 10% rate of people developing long COVID.

Given the number of people who have been infected, that's a very large number of people with potentially permanent side effects.


Yes. That's how anecdata works. If enough people observe they don't know anyone either with or post long covid, it starts to move significance. I've known two people with ME over 50 years and it doesn't alter my sense of their personal anguish or its economic and wider health consequences.

I have no doubt long covid exists and will need significant funding in research and targeted health care. It won't need as much as, or return as much as the spend on paediatrics or obstetrics, per capita.


I’ve never known anyone to justify an argument explicitly using anecdata unironically. Amazing, no notes.


You don't seem to care that the COVID alarmists are only using anecdata as well. I think if is clear where your sympathies lie.




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