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43 points by VexorLoophole on Aug 10, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 69 comments



Have you ever stubbled upon a website, and gazed in awe at how certain textual content isn't actually text at all? Maybe you didn't know that H*T*ML was called H*T*ML for a reason.

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It's all in a day's work for a web developer.

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> performance

Ironically, this website loads significantly faster than most modern websites, even under HN-induced load.

> I'm going to support users with accessibility needs

I'm not sure visually-impaired individuals are the intended beneficiaries of this site...


> I'm not sure visually-impaired individuals are the intended beneficiaries of this site...

I’m know you’re making a joke but I want to point out that only a small percentage of blind people have 0% vision and it’s important that we address accessibility on our sites for multiple types of users.


It’s not really ironic that it would load faster. Isn’t this the apotheosis of server-side rendering? Just memcpy the image to VRAM…


It's a website that was last updated 20 years ago...


Text is so yesterday, just look at that fancy Flash photo gallery. The future is now, get used to it.


Not all websites need all of the SEO bs you mentioned.

Least this one.

It's legendary as it is.


This site (fancyparking) is old. Before font support was implemented well in webrowsers.. hell before HTML was implemented well in browsers.


This website is ancient, I am not surprised at all.


I always park like this because it's much easier. Not just to get out, but to get in.

Because your front wheels rotate, not the back wheels, it's much easier to get into proper position when parking backwards especially when you're between 2 other cars and the space is small.


Also safer. You back into a small space no one occupies. Versus backing out later with people walking behind, cars driving past etc.


I get what you are saying, but I find parkers who do this to be selfish or at least unaware of how their actions affect others. In my experience, it takes more time to fancy park, and much less to unpark. Whereas with normal parking, it’s much faster to park then unpark.

So, in a busy parking lot (classically a grocery store lot on Saturday) fancy parkers make others wait on them while they park. Normal parkers have to wait on others when they leave.


This is a totally bizarre opinion.

Reverse parking is the only parking method taught in the UK (and thus the only one you're tested on).

The reason you should use this (unless the car park is setup for forward parking bays) is that it's far, far safer.

Forward parking means you need to exit by reversing, functionally blindly, into traffic or children walking across the rear of your car.

Reverse parking means, when you exit, you can see cars wanting to be past, or children now walking across the front of your car.

And no, you're not "trading" safety by reverse parking because, when you park, any obstacles would be directly behind you, as opposed to at an angle.


This assumes we are talking about what is known in the US as parallel parking, i.e. parking on a street and not parking in a parking lot. Parking lots are the norm in the US.


I don’t think we are. I’m talking about reversing into a parking space in a car park (parking lot). It’s generally accepted to be safer for the reasons I highlighted. That’s why I think calling it “selfish” is bizarre.


No, no, no. You completely missed the points here. And no, parking lots are not the "norm" in the US. Both parallel parking and parking lots are common in the US and in the UK as well.


The time you lose while parking you gain when leaving. It's a zero sum game.


I don’t get my time waiting for you to fancy park back. When I’m backing out, I have to wait until it’s clear to go. Fancy parkers parking get a mutex on their part of the row.


I park this way cause I'm daily driving a sports car that is really low and I don't want to risk hitting my front splitter on the curb or the wall. Backwards camera allows you to get close enough without hitting anything.


Its incredible how few people appreciate this, or how hard it is to explain to people.

The rear wheels pivot!!

This is also why the quality of the rear tires is far more important - the fulcrum, or pivot, sees the most stress!


Op was talking about the front wheels pivoting. Rear wheels do not pivot. Furthermore, the quality is sometimes better on rear tires in a rear wheel drive car if the owner is trying to be frugal and save money when changing their tires. Similarly with front wheel drive drive train, owners will often opt to replace only their front tires as they will wear quicker. This is all due to the traction needed to start the car moving. Now, back to the crux of the question, why fancy park? Reversing and turning creates a wider turn radius, reduced control and greatly increases the size of the cars “blind spot”. A driver can opt to have their driving ability impacted while they safely enter an empty spot by reversing in or deal with the hustle and bustle of reversing into a busy parking lot. Despite the efficiency and obvious gains from “fancy parking” some people have parked forward their entire life and have honed their spacial sense around a certain car or truck making the switch impractical, at least until the purchase of their next vehicle!


Totally besides the point, but the real wheels on some cars actually do pivot! :)

On top of the Honda Prelude, there's also the Porsche 911 GT3, the BMW 7 Series, Audi Q7, Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32, R33, R34 had HICAS), Renault Laguna (only in some European markets), Acura RLX (P-AWS), Lexus GS and LS, Infiniti Q50 and Q60, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, GMC Sierra and Chevrolet Silverado, and then to round out the list, the Lamborghini Aventador and the Ferrari F12 Berlinetta.

All of those feature rear wheels that pivot.


> I always park like this because it's much easier.

Easier? Do you have some kind of system/algorithm that you use, because I find backing in harder than driving in.


Start by driving forward until you can see both sides of the parking space, drive to the middle of the road (so the centre line goes through the centre of your car).

Reverse in full lock.

Use your wing mirrors to get the side of your car parallel to the white lines.

Adjust as you go.

Practice makes perfect.


Reverse parking (as it is known in the UK) is one of a number of tasks than can be tested in a UK driving test.

I reverse park 99pct of the time. I think it's safer to be able to see where you are going when getting out of a space, so you can more easily see other cars, children etc.

I think it also makes more sense with the steering mechanics, and I find it easier than going in nose first.


I've been told that in the army (UK) its illegal to park forwards. They had so many accidents that they banned it.

But yea, definitely easier to squeeze into tighter spots going backwards, and not that much harder after you've done it a few times.


> I've been told that in the army (UK) its illegal to park forwards. They had so many accidents that they banned it.

I've parked in numerous UK army bases over the years (as a civilian) and have never been aware of this. There might be something specific for soldiers whose specific trade is driving but not in general car parks. Some younger soldiers join up without a license and pass a normal civilian driving test as part of their career progression (taught by civilian driving instructors IIRC).


My first employer had this rule — reverse parking only. If you parked the wrong way then reception would send you back out.

Their argument for it was basically the same as the Army’s — with so many people working for them it became significant enough where it prevented a tangible number of people getting injured.

The other argument was that if you were getting attacked / mugged you could get away faster!


The vast majority of people don't turn around around when they reverse. They just rely on their mirrors.

Cameras are a mixed blessing. On the one hand these people are getting a better view, on the other even more people have gotten lazy.


Backup cameras are increasingly the norm as older vehicles go out of service. But as someone who was exposed to a variety of different rental vehicles last week, it's increasingly hard to know what features a given vehicle has exactly, which are enabled, and how to use them.


It's hard when you get a loaner car from the dealer and that car doesn't lock when you walk away.

It's a habit you quickly forget. You're just walking away waiting for the beep. No beep, you have to press the fob.

I do also hate when dealers advertise the backup camera as a security feature. It's mandatory, you don't advertise seatbelts or airbags (unless there are 37 like in a modern Mercedes).


It totally makes sense with the steering mechanics (assuming you have a normal car that is steered using its front wheels) but if there is a low wall or bollards at the back of the parking space and you don't have sensors or cameras or whatever then you (or at least I) can't easily reverse-park and so entering the parking space involves changing direction about six times, and leaving it involves changing direction about three times.

If there's a narrow parking space with a narrow aisle in front of it then forward-parking is basically impossible so you have to reverse-park, so it's a skill worth having.


The first time I ever "forward" parked was after I passed my test. In fact, the examiner guided me into the space before telling me I'd passed! I wonder how many others in the UK go through the same experience.


Same here, I simply park reverse because it's easier to squeeze in and adjust, and I can see all the parts that gets close to the edge.

That I have more visibility is just a bonus, but not the main reason.


It's all neat and supreme until you are coming out of a grocery store with 9 bags and an XXXL pack of toilet paper and realize that your fancy-parked trunk is way over there, in the bushes.


My father mainly parks with the front out and so when I started driving I did the same. Then I got together with my wife and we had children and she has to remind me of this grocery problem constantly.


You still go to the store for your groceries? How quaint.


I'm going to go out on a limb and bet the vast majority of people do. For the typical person going to a supermarket with a car where they can see what is available and looks good just isn't a big task--especially because you usually have other errands to run in a given week.


I got a ticket once for backing into a parking spot in one of the various the parking garages in Santa Monica, blew my mind as a European. After some Googling there didn't seem to be any consensus as to why you're not allowed to.

My hypotheses: The ability to check license plates on out of state cars where they're not required to have a front plate? Who knows.


There are quite a few parking garages I've seen that have some sort of obstruction on a certain wall height (pipes, part of the next level, etc). In those cases backing up can be dangerous as drivers might not notice those obstructions with car sensors/camera being located much lower, thus causing collision damaging the car and the garage. Parking forward is safer because there is more visibility and front part of the car is typically lower than rear.


In Germany there are tons of signs that you should not park this way when it's close to a wall, probably because of the exhaust fumes. Sure, it's not a law but I suppose the tenants or shops won't be happy if you follow the signs. Actually interesting thing to think about with electric cars now :)


In the UK when there are parking spaces next to a building with windows that may be open then there is often a notice telling people not to reverse-park because of the exhaust fumes. (So presumably there is an implicit exception for electric vehicles!)


I'm not sure I've ever in my life heard of that. Though there are a fair number of states that don't require front license plates. (That said I'm not sure how many of those states don't issue two plates when someone is getting new ones.)


I'm pretty sure plenty of enthusiasts wont put on a front license plate if they don't have to by law, the Firebird I was driving at the time even had decorative covers[0] available to fill the slot the license plate would sit in. Looked pretty neat.

[0] https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/volo/1/19426/676178/1920x14...


I’m in MA where almost everyone is required to run two plates by law.

Even with the law, plenty of enthusiasts here don’t run a front plate except while getting the annual safety inspection done.


I live in a rear-plate-only state. You get one and only one.

If they only require one, why would they pay the expense for providing two? Especially as "two different cars driving around with the same license plate" is one of the things you have plates to prevent. If it were only about taxes, you'd have a prominent tax sticker and be done with it.


My state switched from 1 plate to 2 plates (admittedly a long time ago) and if you had an old single plate there was no requirement to "upgrade" immediately. I assume the same thing has happened elsewhere. I only upgraded when the car failed state inspection because the plate had become less readable.


We get fresh plates with every redesign - you might be able to steal a tax-year sticker from someone's mailbox, but after X years (think it's six) they're going to redesign and an old plate will be obvious. Regardless of how long you've had the old one, when the new design comes up, everyone (except those who pay extra for a "themed" plate, not just a custom set of letters/numbers) gets a new plate.


It's certainly a thing. I remember one Youtube creator who created a car with two fronts specifically to prank the parking lot officers [0].

[0] https://youtu.be/VVyekHp7Vfs?t=68


Reverse parking. It's mandatory on most mining sites that I have visited in Australia, for safety reasons. The miners love to slam it into reverse and crunch their gearbox as they back into a space. Not good for when you are going shopping and need to access the boot, however.


As someone who has just moved back to Australia after ~20 years in the USA, I was surprised to notice how many people reverse park here. It seems to be an ego thing , particularly when I notice how many people do it at the supermarket, where it has to be super inconvenient.


Its not that inconvenient unless the spaces are very narrow. In the us the spaces are typically wide enough to allow s carry to squeeze through.


It's fairly common on industrial sites I've been to - particularly ones that you might want to leave in a hurry!


Just park according to the intended use of the car. Are you shopping for furniture or other items which may require storing them in the boot during transit? Park headlights first. Is the parking space too tight? Park so that your driver's side is next to the neighbor's driver's side (tough luck if they're both facing opposite directions, but this is rare).


In a large parking lot, I usually try to pull through so I'm facing out if I can. But I'll back in if that's not an option and it's either a tight fit or I know I'll probably be leaving at the same time as a lot of other people, e.g. theater letting out.


"Is the parking space too tight? Park so that your driver's side is next to the neighbor's driver's side "

Finally! Another person who has this same rule!

Another one: "If there is a column (ie you're in a parking garage) park as close to it as possible. The dead space behind the column gives you plenty of space to use the door and it frees up space on the other side"


I like how I can still tell if the layout of the page was done using tables just by looking at it. Brings back memories of my junior years.

Anyway, I didn't know my method of parking in narrow spaces is considered "fancy".

The parking spots in front of my apartment are three slabs of concrete, with a total width of 10.5m (34.5ft).

There's grass on both sides, so if everyone cooperates, you can fit five cars fully on the concrete - usually with one from somewhere in the middle parked in the "fancy" position so as to take advantage of the fact that two drivers share the same gap to enter.

You need to roll out of there to seat a child though.


This is mandatory in a lot of sites I've been too. Half for safety reasons, half so they can see who knows the rules and who doesn't belong.


This is mandatory on most mine sites I’ve been on. After a while it becomes such a habit that parking nose-in feels really uncomfortable.


I’ve heard this described as Batman parking because Batman always has his escape ready.

The other way is Superman parking because Superman is all about getting there quickly.


You can optimise to leave slightly more space on the driver's side, and it also grants more space to your neighbour driver


Was assigned as ofroad driver during my military service. There I learned that what is called fancy parking should be the rule. When you have to leave (maybe in a hurry) you are set to go.

Since back then that has become my standard way of parking. It's also easier to park "back first" in constrained parking situations.


>It's also easier to park "back first" in constrained parking situations.

Not that I park in garages much but every once in a great while, I find myself in a situation when I just pull in forward where I'm not literally parked in but do have to inch the car out with very little clearance and a whole lot of back and forth turning.


In my country it's mandatory to park backwards in driving school.


Reverse parking is the suggested way to park a car by my employer in Norway for safety reasons. So yes, I reverse park every day at work to be compliant.


Isn't this how everybody parks usually?


Huh? I honestly thought this was the normal way to park. I guess parking spaces are big enough in america that you don't need it.


We also have a lot of diagonal parking. Probably not a majority, but very common in areas where you want one-way traffic flow like fast food. Those are almost impossible to back into, since you have to turn the car against the flow of traffic to get into it, and then reverse the process when you want to get out of the spot.


Yeah it's not very common in the US.




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