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Do you regularly walk through non paved paths? Work in soil? Both common things in the past. Both common ways to have a non safe nick.

Edit: I realize 5 is the cutoff for this study because measles and the like. It is deadly to youth in pretty stark contrast to older.



Yes, I live in a rural area and work outside a lot. I also get scratched to bleeding by animals fairly frequently. My kids are magnets for all kind of mysterious injuries. It is simply not common to get serious infections from everyday wounds for otherwise healthy people. Indeed, for most of human history, cities had higher mortality than the countryside due to disease. "Random cuts" are not nearly as dangerous as "lots of people."

“Deadly” can be true for measles in young children but again, it’s important to be clear that the actual mortality is very low. It certainly contributed (with many other diseases) to lowering life expectancy for infants, but it was not even close to a death sentence; the vast majority survived. As I said, it was basically a rite of passage even for our grandparent’s generation.


Working outside and getting scratched a lot in modern clean clothes, sterile tools, and with refrigerated food is still very very different to not having those things.


Let's circle back and remember that my post was a study of birth, death, and medical records, to which the response was "that doesn't feel right."

The data suggests your feelings are incorrect, and that things were not as dangerous as you feel they are. I'm not even sure what you mean in this case at all: people still washed their clothes, garden tools are not any more sterile now than they were then, and refrigeration can be worked around by different dietary and food storage choices. (Ironically the need for refrigeration partially came with societal advancement: fresh milk for example was traveling farther and farther and increasingly transactional circumstances, which meant it was more likely to carry food-borne diseases whereas, when you go further back, nobody was waiting days to drink their fresh milk and thus didn't worry about it.)

I’ve no doubt that there was a statistical impact, but it is probably rendered invisible by such things as skyrocketing obesity, heart disease, and cancer rates caused by the modern environment and lifestyle. This is probably especially true when you consider the QoL of many older people today. This is also apparent when the cited article mentions that many fewer people died of heart disease, but they did die of heart damage caused by infections. They lived just as long, you might think antibiotics would keep us going even longer, but we tread water because now we simply die of heart disease at about the same age or a little younger instead.


Certainly, my post is not meant to be a refutation of the study. I can express why it feels wrong, still.

Most of the feels is from personal experience with almost losing kids and spouse to infections. In the modern world. :) They 90% would be dead in the past.

Similar experience with grand parents. Though, they did pass somewhat early.


Anthrax, coccidioidomycosis, schistosomiasis, hantavirus… you live in a charmed area no doubt


It has nothing to do with being charmed. These infections are generally rare to start with, and are not automatically life threatening.

There's a reason humans survived to modern day.


> There's a reason humans survived to modern day.

well we made a bunch of kids to offset deaths.

I mean, sure, getting chicken pox was relatively common when I was a kid, and few people died of it. But a low percentage of all the population is still a large number of people.


Makes sense. In movies I see things like a dirty arrow or a sword is guaranteed death from infection. Assuming the movie portrayal is accurate what is the differentiating thing that causes a dirty wound from a weapon to kill but not a dirty knick?


Well, movie portrayals of anything are generally not accurate at all.

I would say that infections from battle wounds are probably more likely, but that probably has more to do with the surface area and size of the wound and health leading up to the battle. A big scratch from a briar or a chicken might bleed a lot, but the wound will be closed fairly quickly. A big scratch from a sword is going to take a lot longer to close, and you might have been near-starving and short on sleep for weeks beforehand and have been crammed in tight conditions with 10k other guys.

That said, it's still greatly exaggerated to say a war-wound is guaranteed death. People got hurt in battle a lot and generally made it out OK. You can find lots of famous examples where even to me it's quite shocking they were able to survive at all without modern medical care. For example, not only was the hard-partying Alexander the Great wounded about a jillion times in battle, one of his last battles involved a punctured lung. It probably eventually contributed to his death sometime later, but it's surprising to me he even lasted the night!


This is tricky. With enough people, yes, a number will survive battle wounds. Most people died, though.

Consider, 50 to 70 million deaths in WW2. And that isn't looking at more genocidal like methods earlier humanity almost certainly used. Numbers would be lower, but percentage higher.

Yes, we are resilient, but that has limits. And is mostly overcome by having more kids.




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