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Show HN: Matic: A reimagined robot vacuum that actually works (matician.com)
39 points by navneetdalal on April 12, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 22 comments
Hello HN friends, We’re Matician, and here’s why we built Matic.

We wanted to live in an always clean home but were tired of always cleaning.

We’d spend hours cleaning, but with kids and pets, the floors never stayed clean for long. We tried all the various robovacs, but they actually made things worse. They chewed up wires, got lost searching for the dock, and one even tore up an expensive rug after getting stuck on it for an hour!

And we weren’t the only ones — friends and family had similar frustrations. So we decided to build something new from the ground up. Something that would just… work.

As it turns out, robovacs are chock-full of sensors. Some actually boast about this in their marketing, leading customers to believe that sensors mean sophistication. But we live in homes built by humans and for humans, and humans don’t have Lidar or radar. Instead, we have an incredibly powerful perception system: two eyes and a brain. So, we decided to build a robot that sees like a human, so it can clean like a human.

We gave the robot eyes (RGB cameras) and built its brain (state-of-the-art algorithms). We developed a simultaneous localization and mapping (SLAM) system from scratch, enabling the robot to build a photo-realistic 3D map of a home, move around with precision, and always be able to locate itself. Visual input also meant we could develop semantic understanding, so the robot actually understands what should be cleaned and what should not be cleaned.

And we doubled down on privacy along the way. From day one, we committed to processing all data on the device, so that no video or audio ever leaves our home. This was hard to do, but it was simply non-negotiable. We shouldn’t have to sacrifice privacy for convenience.

And we didn’t stop with the software. We also built purposeful hardware to take full advantage of the powerful perception system, working together to optimize cleaning. This meant reinventing the vacuum and mopping system from the bottom up and tightly integrating hardware and software for super-effective cleaning.

It took some time to get here (5 years, 6 months to be precise), but we’re proud of what we’ve built in Matic. We are super excited for you to use Matic yourself and genuinely hope it makes chasing that “always clean” feeling a little more effortless.

We look forward to your feedback and questions.




That's some pretty hefty pricing - $1500 / year, on subscription ... so I don't actually "own" the vacuum.

> Matic must be returned to us if you cancel your membership.

In comparison, the robot vac my family have been using for the past 3 years works great, and is currently £200 on Amazon.


Oof, yeah. I'll pay $1500 for a nice thing, but I want the nice thing to be mine.


Thanks for the feedback.


Cool! I’m delighted to see more exploration of this product space.

Was the large profile an engineering constraint or a design choice? What’s on my mind when I buy a vacuum is if it’ll fit under things.

FWIW, I’d love a “go look for a mess” button rather than having to talk to it. I hate talking to appliances. It’s always janky and my world is rarely noise free. I don’t even need an over complicated “where do I look?” system. Just a button in my kitchen that sends it into dirt patrol mode.

P.S. I love how the kid spills a ballpark worth of peanuts and then a jump cut to like 12 nuts hitting the floor.


Large profile was a design choice to enable: 1) a much larger dirtbag, 2) a water bin, 3) but most importantly, for a camera vantage point to be able to see top down the way we see from a higher vantage point to really see dirt, floor type. It allows us to build a 3D map.

And go look for a mess is there as voice or app. We just thought that giving users an ability to do it as per preference is the way to go.


Is the mobile app required? If I'm already at home, why would I want to try to awkwardly navigate some 3D space with gestures on a tiny phone screen instead of using my desktop computer?

Required app installs make the world less accessible for us non-smartphone owners. At the very least, I'd want a IoT device to be optionally controllable via some kind of network API. That way I can unify its scheduling, programming, or whatever with the rest of my network computing resources, instead of having each device require a specific UI (or worse, its own app).


Yes. The Mobile app allows you to see the 3D Map. You can install the mobile app on the new Macs directly too now so can do it on a desktop or iPad as well.

We added voice commands and gestures also so it's easier to tell it what to do when at home.

But appreciate your feedback and requirements.


125$ a month is way more i am willing to pay for a device that only cleans the floor. Thats the same price as a cleaner that works at least 3h a month, even in switzerland.


Thank you for the feedback. As we scale and further iterate, we hope to make it cheaper but hardware is hard, and building something new is expensive. At present, this is the model that allows us to stay in business. Thank you.


Standard question for new home electronics: which things don't work if it doesn't have an internet connection? Local sensor processing is a great start, but I've been burned by carefully worded, technically accurate denials before.


Hi, I am a co-founder at Matician. Understand your POV. We've all been there.

I can tell you that privacy was a priority for us, so we've designed it from Day 1 to do all processing on the device. The map data from robot is communicated to app via local wifi.

We don't need an internet connection. We have designed it so that it can work like old applianced. However, we need local wifi to transfer map data to the app. Bluetooth isn't good for that.


> The map data from robot is communicated to app via local wifi.

Good, this is the kind of thing I was getting at. Lots of companies would say "we do all the data processing locally" and then upload the map to their server to get it to the app, because that's technically not "processing".


thank you.


I was very interested up until i saw:

> The Matic robot cannot be purchased outright with or without a membership. Membership includes unlimited usage of the Matic robot in your home, with a “cancel anytime” policy. Matic must be returned to us if you cancel your membership.

That'd be a straight out No from me.

I have a low end xiaomi vac/mop at the moment - it does a pretty average job. Will be looking to replace this in the next 12 months and will be spending a bit more this round, but I would never consider renting anything that I intend to use for longer than a couple of months.


Why make your bot so tall? I like that my ECOVACS unit can fit under my shelves and living room furniture.

What’s the argument for $1500 a year versus an ECOVACS or RoboRock with vacuum, mop, and self-cleaning/filling base station? Even the highest end ECOVACS unit is less than $1500 one time.

Is it just “privacy”?


Would prefer to disable the robot's hearing. Why anyone likes speaking to machines or thinks the privacy tradeoff is worth it is beyond me.


Read the privacy policy. Big fan.


Great job Mehul & Team. Congratulations on your launch


Does it run ROS?


No. Linux. ROS was too big for edge device processing.


ROS runs on Linux but I'm glad to hear you aren't shipping ROS in production.


Meant our own version of it. (But not ROS yes.)




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