sorry to break it to you but black men and women are born free. its just that americans put them in chains. im sure that today they are grateful for being treated as 2nd class citizens
> today they are grateful for being treated as 2nd class citizens
That isn’t what you said. You pushed back on the notion that people fought and continue to fight for others’ rights in America in a way they don’t in modern Russia (or China). That isn’t true, and it isn’t true that America Blacks or women are worse off today than they were two hundred years ago, as OP argued when you pushed back. Perfect is the enemy of good; you’re arguing against American values on a thread about modern Russia.
So long as you acknowledge that our current pigsty is much cleaner than Russia's. The best you can point to is genocides and atrocities we committed 170 years ago, whereas Russia is attempting to commit similar genocides as we speak. And it's not the first time the Russians have committed genocide against Ukrainians. I guess when your nation doesn't change that much in 100 years it's hard to understand that other nations do, so calling up crimes from generations ago makes sense. I bet you berate the modern Mongolians for the crimes of Genghis Khan, and modern Italians for the many massacres committed by the Romans.
> And it's not the first time the Russians have committed genocide against Ukrainians
im curious, when do you think was the first one? i mean there was the period of famine while ukraine was part of the ussr, but if thats what you mean lets get few simple facts straight
1) ukraine was an equal republic of the ussr
2) russia was a seperate republic of the ussr. russia had no authority about what goes on in ukraine
3) ussr at that time had a supreme ruler who was of georgian ethnicity
so even if we agree that systematic genocide did happen, it is very hard to argue that russia had anything to do with it
curiously, every time a russian ruled ussr, ukraine was rather well off. for example, under lenin ussr promoted ukranianization [1], under
khrushchev ukraine got gifted crimea, while the ussr got a ukranian as its supreme leader [2]
>The best you can point to is genocides and atrocities we committed 170 years ago, whereas Russia is attempting to commit similar genocides as we speak
russia's war in ukraine: 25,000+ civilians killed
number of civilian victims in Vietnam killed by US armed forces: 100,000+
number of civilian victims killed due to US dropping two atomic bombs on Japan: 200,000+
number of civilian deaths due to war in iraq: 200,000+
need i point out more?
as i said, kitsch pigsty. understand the evils committed by your own government before you lecture others. after all you have more freedom than russian people, hence more personal responsibility too. if people do this across the world, world would be a much happier place
those are statistics for 12 years of civilian deaths by the us military directly. they are not all the civilian deaths that occured during the vietnam war
during the same period, for a time span of 3 years, the us bombed cambodia and killed over 200,000 civilians as a result
If you are referencing Holodomor, then it was not targeted at Ukraine. Yes Ukraine was hit hard by it, having half of total death toll from communist-induced famine. But other half were also Russians and Kazakhs.
Bolsheviks while not being shy about ethnic-based genocide didn't really care about ethnicity of victims at that case.
