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this is absolutely terrible. this is a sure way for russia to create a modern version of the stolen generation [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations



Sure is terrible, just weird that russians themselves just take it and don't stand up.


There have been many internal reform attempts in Russia, almost universally the leaders of each have been assassinated or imprisoned. It’s a very dangerous place to protest, especially now that they’ve invaded Ukraine and legalized mobilization.


I have a suspicion that the siloviki insiders are okay with the system as is. Plenty of stealing to be done at all levels.

The others still take it without doing anything about it.


Honestly, not too much people take it here as seriously as you guys somewhere over there.

Most just get skeptical of such stories the older they get, and this is unfortunately a consequence of personal empirical evidence. You expect the truth but instead get a story. As you grow older the story starts to feel rough, doesn't add up to experience and at some point turns into a complete Orwellian bullshit.

Stories get treated as tabloid bs used as propaganda, and quite often this is hardly too far from the truth.


I see that a fresh batch of copium has been distributed.


Good luck standing up against million of well armed, well paid and well trained national guards.


"Well armed and well trained"

Sure, we've seen plenty of those in Ukraine. Also "well intoxicated"


Really well armed and well trained elite police forces are not sent in Ukraine because they are needed in case of unrests. For battlefield there are poorly trained conscripts with rusty gear from 70s.

Dictators like Putin or Saddam save their best guard even in toughest moments of war, because they know that they can loose war but can still be in power if their guard can protect them from their political enemies.


Iranian school girls do that.


Did they win?


They kept their dignity and earned mad respect from others. They may also win at some point.


> mad respect

I really hope that you are being ironic and this is a joke.


Why would you hope such a thing?


The Ukrainians sure as hell won their Euromaidan.


Ukranian protesters had support from half of parliament, several independent oligarchs and even some part of government. Also they had logistic support from political organizations and also international support.

In Russia opposition has no allies in establishment, there are no independent oligarchs in the country, political organizations are destroyed and any Russian national by default has zero sympathy from the West now (frankly speaking even if one had a substantial support, it would be damaging for his political reputation in the country). There are no public institutions left in Russia that opposition can rely on, every activist is essentially alone against government machine.


and lost a chunk of east ukraine


So you propose it's better to submit than fight for your freedom? That's your choice.

Let's see where Ukraine is in 5 years and where Russia will be.

Your mentality fits nicely in russian society.

And in case you didn't notice, eastern Ukraine and Crimea is still Ukraine. Soon free from russian invaders.


> Let's see where Ukraine is in 5 years and where Russia will be

given the disastrous policies of the ukranian government, in 5 years it would not surprise me if ukraine is divided between russia and poland. im sure the poles would love that too

> Your mentality fits nicely in russian society.

i think my mentality fits pretty nicely with that of southern Europe, where i live. i also happen to think that polish ukranian and russian mentality fit rather well together, especially the rampant xenophobia


> southern Europe, where i live

Let me guess... you're antivax?


nope. whats that have to do with southern europe


> given the disastrous policies of the ukranian government

Do you point out the policy of not letting it's people genocided without a fight? Or do you mean something else? I don't this is even up for the government to decide, Ukrainians would fight no matter their governments policy.

> especially the rampant xenophobia

Please don't project your own mentality onto others.


> Ukrainians would fight no matter their governments policy

is that why they prevent all men from leaving their country?

> Please don't project your own mentality onto others

Mine? The founder of Azov, Andriy Biletsky declared in 2010 that the Ukrainian nation’s mission was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [subhumans].” There are now streets in Ukraine that carry names of the Azov clowns, and Bilenski is frequently present in ceremonies. But hey, let's give them all weapons we have so that they can fight the Russians. What a marvelous idea ... not. But it is what it is, and Azov Regiment is going to be part of the planned counter-offensive this spring

The reality is, the United States supports Ukranians in much the same way it supported the Afghans during the 1980s. Groups like Azov and Right Sector are just the new Taliban. For Ukraninan people's sake lets hope Ukraine doesn't end up like Afghanistan

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-probl...

* Just in case you think I was brainwashed by KGB

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/azov-swastika-flag-ukraine...

* Picture tells a thousand words



lol. thats all you have ?


um they did, in 1917, like no one else, ever. too bad the whole thing took a wrong turn a decade later


So they tried once a century ago, then gave up? How is this different from what I was asking? Nothing is done, violence is tolerated and glorified at home and exported to neighbors too.




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