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China absolutely wants to be reunited with Taiwan. Taiwan is a constant reminder of the century of humiliation (Translated term that is basically China's term for Opium wars to WWII). Taiwan is an integral part of the Chinese nation and for nationalistic reasons, it would be an issue even if Taiwan had no other benefits.



> Taiwan is an integral part of the Chinese nation

No it isn't. China under the Communist Party has never ruled or controlled Taiwan (since 1949). Taiwan democratized, developed, and got wealthy first, completely independently of China. Taiwan has never in modern history been an integral part of China.


There's a difference between a nation and a state, although the two are nearly always synonymous in the modern world.

Taiwan and China being one nation is the policy of the governments of both China and Taiwan.

Of course Taiwanese nationalism is it's own thing now, but the Taiwanese people seeing themselves as not Chinese is a relatively recent phenomenon - it's been functionally independent for less than 100 years, and before that it was a Japanese colony like several others that have since been reabsorbed by China.

I'm not supporting Chineses irredentism, and I don't think the parent comment was either. Taiwan should remain independent. What the parent was explaining is why China would want Taiwan no matter what - it's a historical part of China that is relatively recently separated, so they want it for purely nationalistic reasons. It's no different from Serbia and Kosovo, or Russia and swaths of Ukraine. The economics don't matter if all you care about is your wounded national pride.


> Taiwan and China being one nation is the policy of the governments of both China and Taiwan.

No one in Taiwan and not even the current government consider China/Taiwan together. When KMT fled and created the constitution they claim China. Taiwan is now stuck in limbo because the people just want to live their lives in peace and already consider themselves Taiwanese and independent. But if they change the constitution then China will consider it a formal act of independence and use it as an excuse.


You're speaking to the "state" part of the above comment. Yes, clearly the PRC and ROC are not the same state. "Nation" is not necessarily the same thing.


I’m saying despite the constitution. People in Taiwan don’t claim China to belong to them. This is a relic of the past that is stuck in writing that people suffer from.


The pro-independence party just suffered a major loss in local elections. The prime-minister who invited Nancy Pelosi for a provocative visit had to resign. Looks like Taiwanese people are not very enthusiastic about becoming a new Ukraine.


Greens never do well in local elections. Local governments have no say at national level. It seems the only people who say they suffered a major blow are pro CCP bots.


For clarification: It was the President of Taiwan Tsai Ing-wen(as far as I can tell) who invited Nancy Pelosi for a visit. She (the President of Taiwan) did resign as head of her party, but not as president.


China has been a country for longer than the history of European civilization. They do not subscribe to the view that nothing that happened before 1945 matters the way Americans seem to.


China also makes the claim of 1000s of years of history but Taiwans inclusion in that history is about 200 years. And of that less than 10 was a province that China still didn’t govern or control. It was more or less just something they said to deter Japan. So historically China has never ruled over Taiwan. Japan has more claim to Taiwan than China as it actually ruled and controlled Taiwan.


Not if you're a nationalist, since most of Taiwan is ethnically Han, not Japanese.


No, China has not been a country for longer than European civilization. That CCP propaganda claim is the equivalent of saying that the European Union has been around for 8000 years because Plovdiv, Bulgaria was founded in the 6th Millennium BC.


Speaking as a brit, the opium wars were an abomination but China does like to (or find convenient) playing the victim.




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