Don't know about CIA conspiracies but I'm sure Saudi Arabians will protest Hijab mandates one day. Freedom is amazing and every human craves it at some level.
Freedom is amazing , true. But I am afraid you could be over optimistic saying that everyone craves it. Unfortunately many people have short-term goals that are more important for them than freedom…
Ah yes, the typical astounding secular definition of freedom, equating it with nakedness and vices. I’ll tell you something, the vast majority of the Saudis are proud of the Hijab and their Islamic faith that promotes purity and decency. We don’t want the western definition of “freedom” thank you very much, we’ve seen where it leads
You posted dozens of flamewar comments in this thread. That's extreme, and you have a history of doing it and ignoring our requests to stop. I've therefore banned this account as well as some others. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. Religious flamewars are not what this site is for.
Frankly, all the other commenters who jumped straight into the pit of hell with you are more responsible than you are, but we can't have people abusing HN this egregiously.
It leads to people showing the hair in their heads, that is the normal way in our species. Including the majority of the muslim population and the majority of the human population.
If you think this is the same as being naked in public or that women's hair is impure, well... You live in a very sad place and deserve compassion. It really sucks to be you, but your pain is self-inflicted.
Enjoying the feminine grace and beauty is one of the greatest pleasures of being alive. Imagine yourself sit in a caffee three months from now watching by the first time an endless stream of smiling happy, "naked" women. If this image don't puts a smile in your heart, then something terrible must had happened to you
> > The fact is that some men (and women) felt so threatened
> No one is feeling threatened.
Oh yeah? Then why did they feel compelled to kill a young woman for the "horrible crime" of not covering her hair?
> You're the one projecting here.
Nope, it's definitely you. All that gibbering about STDs... It's not actually mandatory for Westerners to have unprotected sex with every woman whose hair we can see.
And posting a YT playing list of some little scraggly-bearded mufti wannabe mullah spouting medieval superstition, as if that supports your position? It only further cements how wrong you are.
Flamewar comments like you posted in this thread are completely unacceptable on HN and will get you banned here, regardless of how you feel about someone else's religion.
Religious flamewar is a hell particularly to be avoided. Please don't post anything like this to HN again.
> Oh yeah? Then why did they feel compelled to kill a young woman for the "horrible crime" of not covering her hair?
Why are you asking me? Did I defend the corruption of such a regime anywhere in what I wrote? In fact, I stated the opposite. The incident should be investigated, and those responsible should face justice.
> It's not actually mandatory for Westerners to have unprotected sex with every woman whose hair we can see
No one said it is mandatory, but the results are clear for spreading immorality in the land.
Your last statement is pure bigotry and Islamophobic and racist. If you don't want to learn, I hope someone else who comes across this conversation has an open mind.
I well understand the frustration of being in the minority among an internet community, but you can't post flamewar comments like this to HN, and you did it repeatedly and egregiously in this thread. We end up having to ban accounts that post like this because the threads it leads to are so destructive of the community.
I don't like to ban people for expressing contrarian points of view, but your conduct in this thread was way past unacceptable in its own right. Please don't do this again, and please avoid religious arguments generally—they just lead to hellish flamewars and are always off topic.
Lets me check your list: Zero. Not. None of that I'm aware. None recently apart of the terrorist attacks in Madrid and Barcelona (hardly attributable to the west way of life). I never drive drunk and never meet anybody that was raped.
It seems that your image of the world has a few cracks on it, and is not so accurate as you think
Now tell me how many of those points can you check in your place.
Please don't dare to tell me that Islam countries are happy utopias were nobody is raped, there is not prostitution or mass killings and problems never appear. We aren't so gullible.
We know that Afghanistan is a main drugs exporter and mental issues by drug abuse are not uncommon. We are aware that half of the muslims want the other half killed and that some muslims have committed genocides towards other muslims at each single opportunity in their history. We are aware that in some places woman can't work or earn money to support themselves in any non clandestine way
We've had to warn you before about posting flamewar comments to HN. The kind of thing you repeatedly posted to this thread is particularly hellish and awful. We ban accounts that do this.
I don't want to ban you, so please don't post anything like this to HN again—regardless of how you feel about someone else's religion.
The possessive suggests possession - as if the men of Iran own the women of Iran, and are sovereign over them, like an autocratic government is over its subjects. You may be aware of protests currently ongoing in Iran regarding distaste for this attitude amongst “your” Iranians.
How does GP's statement have anything to do with "nakedness" and "vices". Those appear to be your words, dude.
Besides, the woman that was killed in custody that started this whole mess in Iran was hardly "naked", quite far from it.
It's not the west's fault that people lack so much self-control they can't handle anything but a hijab. In my opinion that speaks incredibly poorly, if anything that means folks shold spend more time looking inward than foolishly crying out for divine protection
Moralism is far more responsible for a society's ills than "decadence" ever will be
The slippery slope is real. And as far as we're concerned, taking the Hijab away is one very obvious step in that direction. Just look at history.
I'm not defending the Iranian regime by the way.
You're straw manning to assume that the Hijab's only reason is lack of self control. It's one part of many things that we have in Islam to preserve morality and purity. For example, both men and women are ordered to lower their gaze.
I'm not moralizing here. I'm defending my religion and land from the assumption of the secular west that they're here to liberate us from "oppression".
You posted many hellish flamewar comments to this thread. We ban accounts that vandalize HN like this. It doesn't matter how right you are or feel you are.
Moreover, we've already had to ask you many times not to do this:
Your comments in this thread were so aggressive that you've easily crossed the point where we would ban an account. I don't want to ban you because you've also posted good things. If you do this again, though, we're going to end up having to. Therefore, please review the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and avoid doing anything like this on HN again.
I’m not a Muslim but agnostic and agree that “freedom” is poorly defined and subjective like “idea” of America which is empty cipher. Ruling class of US idea of freedom is for citizens to be free to take on debt and live precarious alienated life with not a small portion dying in abject poverty and increasingly alone.
It is scientific, just not experimental science which is limited. Look up Islam's Isnad system to learn more. There is nothing like it in any other tradition, faith or historic or otherwise. If you only follow experimental science, then you follow the religion of scientism, which only give a partial picture, and sometimes even an incorrect picture.
