Don't need to go low fat OR carbs to be healthy. Restricting a whole macronutrient can help because of the effects on palatability and satiety but it's hardly required and IME is more likely to result in a worse relationship with food.
"Evil"? Trying to show a person that his mistake was starving himself when he thinks that keto was the problem is evil? Since when is pointing out mistakes that a person can use to correct himself evil?
You truly have a warped worldview.
If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. If you belive that diet==starvation than you understand nothing about dieting.
For example, people on a good keto diet do not even remotely starve, are fully satiated (after the first 14 days that the body requires so adjust to this diet, which is an annoying period) and lose a lot of weight.
So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place.
From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage, and they got better when they stopped caring about that "Obesity leads to an early death." mantra:
> I still have palpitations sometimes, and I will never know what damage yoyo dieting for years did to me.
[...]
I don't focus on how I look anymore, I focus on being strong.
On your general stance on the subject:
> If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way.
This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side...
>So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place.
Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said.
>From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage
His incorrect dieting did the damage. You can drive a car well or you can drive it without a drivers license and crash in the first wall and kill yourself.
You are again conflating legit dieting with incorrect dieting.
>This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side...
I cannot write here what I truly wish to say in regards to this comment as it would get me banned.
There is no other way to reduce fatness other than with a diet change. You do realize that what you wrote makes no sense? How do you expect someone to lose weight without changing his diet? Unless you have a device at home capable or breaking the laws of physics, which I doubt.
Exercise is hardly of any help for fat loss.
The alternative are surgeries: but think about it: would you rather correctly adjust the food you eat or would you rather have a piece of you cut out and risking god knows what side effects of mutilating your body for having delusions of how mother nature designed the human body?
> Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said.
Obesity is not a disease, it's a condition. The distinction is important. Some disease can be caused by excessive obesity, but being obese doesn't force getting these diseases.
Here we don't know anything about someone on the internet, and there's no way for us to claim that they will have any critical disease due to their potential obesity. They might be perfectly fine for the rest of their life as they are now. Some studies actually find a longer lifespan for people lightly in the "overweight" zone.
Basically, reducing weight might not benefit everyone "overweight" person.
On the "easiest" part...living a less stressful life is also easy, and can be done by not stressing on diets...
> There is no other way to reduce fatness other than with a diet change.
My complaint is not as much on the "how" than on the "why". From the info we got, there just is no reason to reduce fatness in the first place. And then, if there were actual reasons, the solutions should be adjusted to those reasons. If it's heart diseases, there are more efficient means to prevent them (e.g. increasing exercice, or changing life habits like sleep patterns or reducing salt/adjusting water intake, etc.).
If we really care about health, there is no universal advice.
> Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said.
Do you know this from experience or are you just assuming that because controlling your weight is easy it must be for everyone?
Easiest is still as subjective as it gets. I never smoked. So, I could say not smoking is the easiest thing. I haven't drunk alcohol in years. So, also more easy than loosing weight. And so on.
Swap "easiest" for "simplest" and it's more accurate to what OP was trying to convey. Literally all you have to do is eat less, that's it. Of course, that's not easy for everyone but it sure is simple.
Stress and mental illness is as a pretty big factor in health degradation. Reducing that by just not dieting seems to me to be the simplest and easiest at the same time.
To each their own, there's a lot of ways to look at any single situation.
You were on a very good path when doing keto, but why did you starve yourself?
There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss: 1) low-fat high-carb 2) high-fat low-carb
Pick one and stick with it.
But god help you if you will mix large amounts of carbs and fats.
Your only mistake is that you starved yourself on keto, people have extreme success on keto/carnivore. No need to starve yourself.