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B/c when the fund managers buy assets to make the index fund to resell to retail investors, they usually get the same voting rights from their ownership as a normal shareholder, and they don't pass that part on to the retail investors, no?



Correct, Vanguard votes on the underlying assets of an index fund, not individual (or other) investors. You do get to vote if you own shares of individual companies.


Vanguard does. They make recommendations about whom you should vote for, but vote you do.


Wrong. If you own VOO you don’t get to vote on the underlying assets.


They often actually do, vanguard sends me proxy statements now and then which I deign to ignore.


Wrong. If you own VOO or VTI, you don’t get to vote on the underlying assets.


If you care about voting don't own the ETFs and instead own the funds directly?


It's not so much about that as an individual, but rather, is it good for the market that the managers of these index funds that just pass through ownership of the asset really get such powerful voting rights? To make it even weirder, I believe these funds are sometimes bought by public pension fund managers and the like. So it feels oddly corrupt.


Bogle himself commented on it in his later years - managers capitalism - by managers for managers, not for the employees or the owners.

http://johncbogle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/n...




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